Should the Bolts retire Dave Andreychuk's #25?

In private at times, I call the 2004 Stanley Cup championship the "Andreycup" in homage of former team captain and long time NHL veteran Dave Andreychuk finally hoisting Lord Stanley's chalice above his head in victory. It's an acknowledgment of enduring to claim the ultimate NHL victory as well as his contribution to the team from the moment he joined the franchise.
Dave only played for three full seasons with the Bolts. You may recall the end of his career, mid-fourth season, and his January 2006 waiving by the team. Not exactly classy, but Dave had lost a step in "the new NHL"... A year layoff had hurt him (thank you, NHL lockout *grumble*). His place in franchise history had been cemented however, regardless.
It's been almost four years since the waiving and retirement of Andreychuk from the NHL. Dave is still very much involved in the local community and the Tampa Bay Lightning franchise as a whole. With those facts out there and a deep appreciation for what Andreychuk accomplished for the team, Chris Reddaway thought it was high time for the Bolts to correct what he sees as a wrong.
Reddaway created a group on Facebook devoted to getting #25 retired by the Lightning, and raised to the rafters of Times Palace:
Reddaway explains on the group that:
I was sitting around this morning...err...I mean working really hard!! But the thought came to me, "Why isn't Dave's #25 hanging from the rafters?" My wife and I had the discussion previously and I really thought it was going to happen the night that the Lightning honored him after he retired. But there I sat, shocked, that it didn't happen. A real missed opportunity in my opinion!
The group is an impassioned outcry over getting #25 retired in honor of Captain Andreychuk... I see it as a debatable honor, simply in the fact the Lightning have never retired a number before... But it's a debate certainly worth having.
To go with play quality and point production alone, people would have (and probably did for a while) believe that Brian Bradley's #19 should have been retired after he was forced to walk away from the game due to post concussion syndrome. Of course, a young man from Prince Edward Island came along wearing #19, and turned many of Bradley's stats on their head.
There are other players and fan favorites of the past who contributed to the Lightning since their inception and cemented their place in team history before disappearing from the NHL: Mikael Andersson and #34, John Cullen and #12, Rob Zamnuer and his #7 are just a scant few that fans may recall... Long tenured players or ones with connections with the team and the fanbase. All left a mark in one way or another.
None have had their numbers retired by the team. Like Andreychuk.
But do any of them even compare to Dave Andreychuk and what he achieved with the Lightning? Do they compare with the mark left by Dave on the franchise?
Let me pose the question -- what should be the criteria for retiring a number with the Lightning? Again, it's never been done.... Who do you see as the first player whose numbers will hang from the rafters? Whose numbers should never adorn another Lightning player's sweater?
Should #25 be retired? I'm certainly not against it, but it's a discussion and a debate worth having. Check out the group on Facebook to and join to show your support of the idea.
[Note by jpfdeuce, 10/14/09 5:57 PM EDT ] John Cullen's number was #12, I had posted #10 by mistake. Hat-tip to untexan in comments for pointing out the error.
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Andreychuk's number should NOT be retired
While I have vehemently argued that Dave should be elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame, he in no way deserves to have his number hanging from the Forum rafters. Four years at the end of his career, 278 games, 68 goals, 61 assists, 16 minutes ATOI and a -46 are not numbers worthy of retiring his number. Yes, he is a terrific person and has helped the Bolts community since his release and retirement…yes, his locker room leadership helped the Bolts’ to the Stanley Cup in ’04, but if all the nice guys that wore a Lightning sweater had their numbers retired, the rafters would be full.
WB Philp
by LightningShout on Oct 13, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And that's why I say this is a great debate point
This would be liek the Bucs debating retiring Hardy Nickerson’s number… His influence is there and lasted a while but his numbers faded as he went. He was here at the end of his career.
dave’s had a much longer, more tenured career than just about anyone and he had a big influence on the roster… But so did Phil Esposito and we don’t hang anything in honor of him from teh rafters, do we? Nothing directly at least…
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by John Fontana on Oct 13, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wade Boggs.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Oct 13, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Better comparison than the Nickerson remark
Wade did what with the Rays? It was more of an honor from the Tampa Bay community but it was still an empty gesture.
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by John Fontana on Oct 13, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Andreychuk was the heart of the Cup team. And that Bolts team certainly accomplished more than the early Rays teams. Also, Andreychuk is a HOF player. But, Boggs was the first person I thought of when I read the post. I cringe when I see #12 retired at the Trop because it is a reward for what Wade did elsewhere. My first thought of him is as a Red Sox player. The retirement of a number should be a special distinction of a HOF player and one team.
by Lithia Rays on Oct 13, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To Wade's credit, he did get his 3000th hit here, and he set history as being the only one to do it on a homer.
But yeah, there’s no way his number should be retired; here or anywhere.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
This quote tells you who will probably have his number retired first by the Bolts
“I think he’s easily got another four good seasons in him. I get calls about him more than any other player we’ve got. People think we’ve got (Steven) Stamkos and maybe we’re looking to go younger, but as far as I’m concerned, Marty will finish his career in Tampa Bay. He will be here as long as I’m here. Heck, he’ll probably be here after I’m gone.” — Brian Lawton on #26 Martin St. Louis
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I think 26 and 4 are the only ones that should be retired thus far
IMO, those two guys have been the face of this franchise for a LONG time and have been extremely productive throughout. That’s what I think it takes to get your number retired. I never want to see anyone besides Vinny wearing #4 here.
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by staplemaniac on Oct 14, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Andreychuk, Lecavalier and St. Louis should all be retired together
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If only the Bolts had a ring of honor.
Where his name would be honored but not his number. I truly believe that Andreychuk did a lot to bring to cup to us, but he didn’t exactly light it up when was playing. He was fantastic to have for the community and the locker room, but as a player wearing the number 25, he was not that memorable.
The Rays retired Wade Boggs’ number and thought that was a HUGE mistake. Why? Because all boggs did was hit his 3,000th hit w/ the Rays. He didn’t light up the stat sheet, so there was really nothing memorable about him wearing his number besides the 3,000th hit.
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by thebaddancingraysfan on Oct 14, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions
There does need to be a two-tier kind of system. There could be a way to honor players who have meant a lot to the team, like Andreychuk, Bradley, and Brad Richards, and then there’s actually retiring their jersey. Right now Vinny and Marty are the only two who should be under consideration for that. (Hopefully Stamkos and Hedman will get there someday.)
Oh, and John Cullen wore #12. Adam Creighton was #10.
Thanks for the correction on Cullen
Memory of the Shamrock badge the team wore in support of him had #10… you’re right it was 12.
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