Tampa Bay Lightning at Pittsburgh Penguins game thread
by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 7:15 PM EDT
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Bolts vs. the baby-blues at the Igloo.
Breaking News for tonights game: Todd Fedoruk has been scratched from the lineup tonight and David Hale will be playing as a seventh defenseman.
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The picture alignment is not deliberately that messed up
grumble stupid HTML….
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announced starting line is Tanguay, Lecavalier, St. Louis
Just announced by EE
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Wondered how long it would take for that line to make an appearance....
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't think it will last
but we’ll see.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not but still, it may not take long to jump start Vinny and Alex. I honestly think that a goal or two between them and they’ll stop gripping the stick so hard and relax a bit.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
what we have to wonder about is
Mark parrish in Norfolk. Or perhaps Dana Tyrell or another forward. The Bolts have got to clear roster space soon if the RW offensive output just isn’t working with who is here.
Downie’s done EVERYTHING asked of him. But the Bolts need a spark…
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Downie has surprised a lot of people this season so far. With his ability to keep his cool and he’s playing better. But have to admit he’s not top 6 material, at least not at this point in his career. Somebody’s gotta go somewhere and I’m thinking one of the spare Dmen. They really could get rid of Kraijek (sp?) and we wouldn’t miss him.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
They had Marty in the lineup but Downie started the game with VL and Tangs.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh....
I’m getting the Pens broadcast of the game instead of Sunsports. Well, shouldn’t complain though, at least it’s on where I can watch it.
Turn sound off and put on Mishkin / 620 AM in another tab?
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If I can get the radio and video synchronized I’ll do that. I’d rather listen to Mish than these Pit announcers. Don’t really feel like listening to them harp on how good Malkin, Crosby and others are.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it's just me-
But I really do not like those “tarheel blue” jerseys that Pit has….
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hate them
Marty was just out on his normal line — close chance with Stammer.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I was wondering where the Refs were
lots of elbows and slashes. Finally a call. against us…
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Can't believe how far Niitty came out on that goal
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And they could not clear the zone
Troubling at best
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
And I honestly can't figure out what the problem is.
And that’s not so bad because I’m not a coach, but the coaching staff better start figuring something out. And soon.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Bolts going on the PP now
Someone say a hail Mary…
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LOL….. I’m not Catholic, but I’d try that too if it’d help…
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing I would really love to see tonight is for Vinny to finally get the change to pound the snot out of that weasel Matt Cook….
He's overdue for it.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry my responses are not rapid fire like Cassie
My TV is behind me so I have to turn around to watch
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LOL
That’s OK. I have to tab back and forth between the game and the blog, so I may be MIA at times tool.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Trying to do too much
Beign too responsible on ice…
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Havign serious comment issues here
Anyone else?
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Yes I am too. I got booted off the blog and couldn’t get back on. Seems to be working now though.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I had to reload all togethere
F5 didn’t work, I had to retype the site URL in and start over
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Finally got back on from the twitter link. Dunno what happened there…
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
From the point
Everyone was unprepared for that one
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End of one. Two-D'OH Pittsburgh
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Lightning look discombobulated....
that’s a favorite word of mine. Intermission couldn’t come quick enough.
...again. They look overly tentative
sloppy. I’d even say hung over.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Coach gonna have to run them hard for the next 4 days, since no game until Thursday. But some could say that they haven’t played since the win vs. the Panthers….
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Forty Minutes of hockey left tonight
….they still could show up.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the nice thing about hockey…. You always got time to come back (well, maybe not ALWAYS, but still….)
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
Chicago anyone?
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
Don’t believe it, just ask Calgary…
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Even with that somewhat soft goal, I still feel more confident with Frank in goal as opposed to Smitty.
That’s pretty sad.
Smith should be sent on a conditioning stint. Call up Helenius
Give Mike some starts for the next two weeks. Go with Frank and Riku in goal over the next four games. Mike needs to play and build up confidence.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
So, if the Lightning were to read this thread
I’d hope they knew to DRIVE to the net. Vinny? Get in the middle fo the ice and if you need to — FIGHT someone. Lead.
Defense? More blocking of shots and CLEAR THE ZONE.
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Turning it over behind our own net is more fun…
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by Dustin Keene on Oct 17, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
11-6 in Pittsburgh's favor with SOG
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At the risk of repeating myself…. SHOOT THE D$$$ PUCK! As my coach used to scream at us, “You not gonna score just looking at the thing, Shoot it!”
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Passes are facist :) j/k
(trying to twist the quote from Bull Durham)
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Tanguay leads all skaters with 7:23 TOI for the Bolts
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They got 4 days til the next game.
I’d run ’em til they dropped tonight.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovy's return to Mtl.
It still looks weird with him in a Sen’s jersey.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
WTB a John Tortorella and a Jay Feaster.
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by Dustin Keene on Oct 17, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I can live without a Feaster.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Rags don't need a Jay Feaster...
they got a “Slats”….
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the pregame song “Jessie’s Girl” wasn’t a wise suggestion after all?
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I suggested AC/DC's "Thunderstruck"
but they wouldn’t listen to me.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to know who the hell suggested that song
….cripes. You want to go old school? Go 70’s Wings “Live and Let Die”… cuz what does it matter to you when you gotta job to do, you gotta do it WELL. You have to give the other fellow HELL.
(personally I prefer the GNR version but that’s me)
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If they wanted something "soft rock" they could have chose Journey "Don't Stop Believin'"
Since that Marty and Vinny’s song…
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Crosby heading to the sin bin
Two minutes, shmuckery ;) j/k
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Nah, I despise Crosby… got very tired of the NHL shoving him in my face all season the year he was a rookie….
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And I really don’t like Ovechkin because he’s a f’n hotdog.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey they can pass…………..
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Next it's how to use the water bottle
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Baby steps. Bolts have had a couple of PP and no SH goals… SHHHHHH…
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, Konopka is one of the best looking players out there. As soon as he gets the puck its head up and out of the zone SKATING not gliding looking for a pass.
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HAHAHAHA See what happens when you shoot?
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First shot of the night on the PP, ends up a goal? Co – ink – ee – dink!
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by Dustin Keene on Oct 17, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it's time to shuffle the top two lines at even strength?
Move Tanguay to Stammer’s line and Malone to Vinny’s? Differentt type of expectations of the players
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just a random thought.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone was standing still? Its not a PK…. sigh
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They were waiting in line for the Michael Jackson movie
:-p
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Regardless of the screen no one was skating at all when the play developed to the point. The players acted as if it was a PK.
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by Dustin Keene on Oct 17, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Gonchar's 2nd of the night
light screen there
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I"m here. Finally. How are things?
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions
Hi cassie
Um, things are forgettable. PP just got underway. 3-1 Pens
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
So I didn’t miss anything? Huh. For some reason, I sort of expected that.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
you missed Jessie's Girl
That is always a big loss… :-p :-)
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw that on Twitter on my phone. I ban all things Rick Springfield. That’s just sick and wrong.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So it’s an improvement! Good, good.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
As I had said earlier in this thread… baby steps…
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Another PP
But I was frustrated watching Lecavalier and Downie. Steve was ready to be fed and Vinny couldn’t (?) get the puck to him…
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But it was a good shift with puck control that drew the penalty
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Admirals winning 2-0 in AHL action
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At least they cleared it once on this PP
They… oh, wait, that is twice. Oh my stars.
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Stamkos took a shot! He shot the puck!
Why did he not pass?!? I thought the poitn fo the game was to pass?!?
< / end snark >
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Well...Halpern again.
Guess he’s going to get his quota of penalties for the month out of the way in this game…
oh cripes
Looks like it will be a LONG 5-on-3
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It’s a party in the penalty box! Whose turn was it to bring the beer?
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
:oD
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a nice glove save by Frank.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions
Well I hate to say it but it could be 7 to 1 right now if it wasn’t Niitty and was Smitty.
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Ouch….
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Harsh shit eh? :)
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by Dustin Keene on Oct 17, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
No two ways about it. The fans (this one at least) have lost faith in smith.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Not just you. Seems to be the consensus opinion on the blogs I’ve read. folks seem to think he’s got a confidence problem. He’s healthy, just not mentally in the game. That’s a bad situation for a goalie…
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the fact that Niittymaki came in ready to play really threw him off. I’m not sure he came into the season thinking that he’d have to fight to keep the number one designation. So when Niitty showed that he was more than competent, that probably threw Smitty for a loop.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I still say send Smitty on a conditioning stint to Norfolk
Bring up Helenius to spell Nitty for the next 2 weeks. It’s only 4 NHL games.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
While I think that might be a good idea, it’ll never happen. This isn’t baseball. Unfortunately. There have been quite a few NHLers that should’ve started in the minors for a while when coming back for injury.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
My only question is, why not?
The rules state that a player can be sent down for two weeks on a conditioning assignment (a la Smaby right now). The player does have the right to refuse though.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta say...
The penalty kill looked pretty good. They bend but not break. It could have been pretty nasty there….
They cleared it more often than they have on five-on-four!
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
They had to concentrate more.
Back to basics. Nothing fancy, just clear the puck….
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Off topic, is it some holiday or something?
Neighbors are shooting off fireworks. WTF?
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Um, besides the fact that it’s Saturday? I don’t think so….
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s Diwali. Are your neighbors, perhaps, Asian-Indian?
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah... never mind. I just looked it up.
Festival of Lights. Triumph of good over evil….
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Diwali is the Hindu (& Buddhist, & Jainist, & Sikhist.) festival of lights. Tho, not quite in the same way as Hannukah – it’s not to celebrate a miracle of God, but to celebrate the miracle of good. It’s sort of their Christmas, but it’s five days long. Technically, it’s their new year, I think.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
Thought of that… These folks just look for excuses to do it. big game wins (college football maybe), birthdays, holidays, etc.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey it's Saturday.... bring on the beer...
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Beer is one thing
Scaring my dog with fireworks for the umpteenth time is another
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I have that problem too. But here it’s not fireworks but gunfire. Got some serious rednecks around here…. they get snockered and start shooting at rats. or mosquitoes. or fence posts… I have no idea but it scares the crap out of my dog. Just like fireworks and thunderstorms. I got a 110 pound Lab. He’s a 110 pound sissy….
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
30 pound whippet
She’s sweet most of the times but doesn’t do well with thunderstorms, fireworks, banging power tools….
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear gunfire at work all the time. Of course, there’s a difference between a shotgun and a machine gun…. Actually, the machine gun fire isn’t so bad. It’s when they start firing off the big guns that it gets annoying.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah… something the size of a .50cal can be very impressive sounding. I have absolutely no problem with guns and gunfire as long as it’s controlled and the shooters are under control…. that is definitely not the case out here…
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I see that you understand where exactly I’m coming from. ;o)
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So. 13 shots on goal thru two periods, huh? And penalties seem to be a problem as well.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
What's a "shot on goal"?
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Penalties weren’t a problem until the last 3 minutes of the period…. before that Pit only had 2 PP.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
See what happens when they’re subjected to Rick Springfield? They’re all been traumatized. They need to use that 80s soft rock music with greater care. It’s a dangerous weapon in the hands of an amateur.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like they came out with a better attitude, at least.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions
Worse
They had been getting the puck into the Pens zone more before now… And not being stopped at the Neutral Zone.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Nashville & Washington have gone into OT.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
Hedman almost put that in his own net.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions
Malkin totally dove. Even the Pitt announcers agree with that. He just fell over. What’s he think this is, basketball?
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
oh please. Malkin just fell down and they called Vic... sheesh.
Officials not gonna do anything to stop the Pens. That’s the NHL’s poster kids this year…
Uh…sure. Why not?
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Lightning have had 1 shot all period.
But then again, they been penalty killing most of the period too.
I was just typing that…. :oD
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
FRANK
Huge save by Niitty. AGAIN
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I think Niittymaki has just earned himself another start.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions
Don’t see how they CAN’T give him another start. He’s the hot goalie right now. I know I’d have him in there until he had a clunker.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The Mandate
“If you’re ready to go, you’re going”
And as I type this, the Pens finally get past him. 4-1
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Now, Konopka got tackled. No call. and the Pens go down and score.
Told ya. Not going to call anything on the poster boys.
Ads win
2-1
EE tweets that he thinks this is one of the top 10 worst officiated games he has ever seen. Wonder if Walkom is working it. That would explain a lot.
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They can probably go back and find a lot of screw ups in this game. For the refs, not the Lightning.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
you think the refs know how badly they have screwed the Lightning in this game? or do you think they even care?
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
They don't care. They think they are doing their job
and they are justified with any screw-ups because it’s such a TOUGH job. Blah Blah Blah.
They have this sense of superiority, this wreckless entitlement and this dominant arrogance…. “We ARE the law. Do not question us.”
Club Two Minutes
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
There are times I’d love to just slap them silly… They need some sort of way to grade the refs and penalize the bad ones. But then again, they’d be penalizing most of them so I guess that wouldn’t work either. It would mean they had to actually admit that they made a mistake!! god forbid.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s also a hockey culture thing. Good players are given the benefit of the doubt, while the rest aren’t. And god forbid if you’ve got a reputation for being a troublemaker. And goes with teams, too. Good teams are given the breaks.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Cassie, btw...
Tina’s now officially a moderator.
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Sweet! Welcome to the gang – officially.
Cassie
Raw Charge, an SBN Tampa Bay Lightning Blog. Calling shotgun in the clown car.
by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
six on four and they STILL can't get a shot off
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Well, that’s that. What do you think their problem(s) are?
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions
You want the laundry list or the Cliff Notes version?
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Any way you want it, Tina.
Cassie
Raw Charge, an SBN Tampa Bay Lightning Blog. Calling shotgun in the clown car.
by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
laundry list unless you are going to bed
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
they are anemic driving to the net
Offensive chemistry past Malone-stamkos-St. Louis is non-existent.
And they got pwn3d by the Refs tonight
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say that the fourth-ish line has good chemistry – Fedoruk, Konopka, and Downie.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
when Todd plays
I think all 3 top lines could be shaken up. Wright or even Miller could get time on Vinny’s RW…
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you had a pretty good idea earlier John
Flip flop Malone and Tanguay. Let Alex skate with MSL and Stammer and Bugs dig out pucks for VL.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey – that was my idea from a couple of weeks ago. :oÞ
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
days ago, not weeks
You did say it first.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, Cassie
I’ll give you props for the suggestion then. If they’ll just give it a try. Hey, it can’t be any worse than what they got going now….
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s see. No Goals for Vinny (AGAIN). No goals for Alex (AGAIN). Bad penalties. Bad officiating. Not shooting the puck. Standing around watching the Pens skate out of the zone unmolested. Not skating. Getting beat to the loose pucks. Chasing the puck carrier instead of being proactive…. Um, hang on, I’m sure I can think of a few more….
Oh – I wasn’t talking about the game. I was talking about the team. What’s the fundamental problem? They’ve got a good mix of talent, and enough chemistry to get them by until they sort the rest out. But why aren’t they winning like they had during preseason?
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
The big picture.
They need to shake the culture of losing that team has right now. That’s following them around like the tail on a dog. “Oh, it’s just the Lightning”. Don’t think you can blame it on the ownership squabbles, that’s been pretty quiet. I’m not sure what the problem is. Unless it’s just that they need Torts back to give them all a kick in the a$$ and make ’em skate til they puke.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I had two thoughts
I thought there is a very obvious hole on the PP that people are seeing in video…
And then the other thing that gives you a “Toldja so” — coaching. It ultimately comes back to coaching when things do not come together.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
So can we say Tocchet is not the answer? I mean, he’s had almost a whole year (since he took over 16 games into the season last year). When is the honeymoon over and they start thinking about somebody else? Where is that line in the sand drawn?
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
His seat isn't even hot
We’re preliminarily grumbling right now. It’s very early. I don’t think Lawton will switch direction mid-season. I could be wrong though.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
And I’m not sure you can put it all on the coach either. I mean he can preach to ’em, skate ’em and scream and throw things, but it comes down to the players gotta get it done. Nobody else is gonna bail them out. Or feel sorry for them.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Tocchet had 66 games last season to prove himself. Sure, it was a rough season, and personnel were being moved all over the place, but still. There’s a lot more stabilty now, and the players have been upgraded in most positions, but the style of play remains the same. And they’re losing in the exact same manner.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
And that comes back to that culture of losing the Lightning have developed over the last 2 years. They got to shake that. If they don’t it won’t matter WHO is on the ice. The game goes the same way.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the real problem is that Tocchet (and Walz, and Oates) still thinks like players. They don’t have a coach’s mentality or perspective on the game. They’re still too close – it still means too much to them.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And then there's the one-of-the-guys aspect
Why players like them. You can’t be one of the guys — you’re a coach.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s like trying to be your children’s friend. Children have friends, but they need parents. In this case, the players already have teammates, but they need coaches.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Seeing that right now in football locally with the Buccaneers. 32 year old head coach — younger than some of the players. That’s all right and good but young players leadershipp – not friendship. Tough love, not pal-antics.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That coaching mentality does take a while to develop. How often does someone come in with no experience and take a team to the playoffs? Not too often I’d bet.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s definitely true when NHL players become NHL coaches.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
But the looked pretty good in the pre-season. I’m not sure how it goes south so fast. With the same personnel that looked good earlier. Lazy? I don’t think so. I think it’s getting to be a mental thing with the whole team now.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Mental preparation – that starts with the team leadership (Lecavalier, St. Louis, Halpern, Ohlund, etc.), and ends with the coaches.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re playing just as distractedly as they were last season. They need to either deal with the distractions, or learn to ignore them. Whatever they may be. And while I like and respect Tocchet, I’m not sure he’s the right coach for this team.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Then is the right coach (whoever that may be) already on the staff? Rick Wilson maybe? or should they look somewhere else?
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If that were to happen, which it won’t any time soon, I’d go with Rick Wilson – if they were to promote from within. He’s the only one with any head coaching experience. Not at an NHL level, tho, but at a major junior level. The rest of the coaches are fresh off of NHL careers. I think they’re too close to the game still.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Wilson has massive NHL assistant experience though
By choice or by a fluke, he hasn’t been a head coach since juniors… he should be ready to step in if need be…
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I understand, he either doesn’t want to be head coach, or he’s being extremely picky about the job he takes. The fact that he came to Tampa Bay after being in Dallas for so long is interesting. Makes me wonder what his motivation for that was.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he sees the opportunity for moving up the ladder (coaching, not front office) here as opposed to Dallas. Fresh start in a different organization.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The only NHL coaching experience Rick Wilson has at the head coaching level is 32 games as a mid season replacement in Dallas in 2001-02. Then he went right back to associate coach.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, according to Lawton, this team seems to be tighter than last year’s team. That should make dealing with distractions easier, shouldn’t it? Bond together and have that “us against the world” mentality. They need to play with a huge chip on their shoulder and dare someone to knock it off. I just don’t see that attitude with the team right now.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever it is, they need to get it figured out in a hurry. Not sure the fan base can (or will) put up with another season like last year. You have to admit the game were hard to watch last season. Not too many bright spots.
If they don’t figure things out sooner rather than later, we’ll be looking at another Phoenix. Literally. The fact is, most of an NHL team’s revenue comes from the gate. And no one wants to go see a losing team. As shown by the Coyotes not making playoffs for six years straight.
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And I seriously don’t want Jim Balsillie even looking sideways at this team. Keep his greasy mitts off the Tampa Bay Lightning.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Greene and Sansone Jr. would sooner...
Purchase the team in full than Basille getting a shot. Koules and Barrie both want the Lightning, and they’ve talked big money men into exploring things.
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
But how long with investors want a piece of that action if they are losing money on it?
Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever heard of an NHL team...
Making a profit? Boasting profit? Besides Toronto perhaps?
I can distinctively remember the Flames bleeding cash… and other teams elsewhere having money problems…
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I know. But that comes down to marketing – at the NHL level and the team level – or more accurately, the lack thereof. And that’s another story entirely.
Cassie
Raw Charge, an SBN Tampa Bay Lightning Blog. Calling shotgun in the clown car.
by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure even Montreal has made money, or at least a lot of it. Even with that rabid fan base they have. Rangers? maybe.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
And it's quiet on the ownership front.
That usually means something’s afoot in the background. From what I understand, Greene has already applied to be an owner, or whatever the heck it is they do. The NHL is doing their “due diligence” (whatever the heck that is) and checking him good. Never heard any confirmation that Sansone had even applied. Haven’t heard much about him after that initial article or 2 saying Barrie was trying to recruit him.
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
OK ladies, I am leaving the game thread
Final thought is this: The team needs a new MC if they think ANYONE in hockey si goign to be motivated by Jessie’s Girl
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LOL... I think we all agree on that one...
by Tina Robinson on Oct 17, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I keep saying – not much good came out of the 80s (pop culture-wise).
Cassie
Raw Charge, an SBN Tampa Bay Lightning Blog. Calling shotgun in the clown car.
by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
G'night Tina
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by John Fontana on Oct 17, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well. Guess it's about time for me to hit the sack too.
My son (110 pound Lab—who’s name is “Chief” by the way…LOL) just came and sat down and stared at me. That’s usually his signal that he’s gotta go potty. and 0500 is gonna come early in the morning. Today was Monday for me, so I’m just getting started good on my week.
Alrighty. I’m about the fall over from exhaustion. So I’ll go, too. Later, Tina.
Cassie
Raw Charge, an SBN Tampa Bay Lightning Blog. Calling shotgun in the clown car.
by Cassie McClellan on Oct 17, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
you probably do need sleep...
John said you drove back from DC this evening. G’nite. Talk to you guys Thursday night if not before.
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