Tampa Bay Lightning at Colorado Avalanche game thread
by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 8:00 PM EST
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Hello? Is there an echo in here or is that just in my head? It’s so hard to tell sometimes.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 8:07 PM EST reply actions
No echo but you are shimmering
Or is that shimmying? Stop dancing, will you?
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Uh huh. You have some imagination there, John. Different states, and no webcams. So, who are you talking to again? It’s okay to listen to the voices in your head, just don’t answer them out loud in public when they ask you question.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
O........kay
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Technical issues
Folks, be advised that SB Nation has been having some load issues today. I (personally) am experiencing it now and that may also be effecting you if you attempt to participate in commenting tonight.
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Don’t say it that way – you’ll scare off the lurkers!
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
If that doesn’t scare off the lurkers, the conversations we have in here WILL! :-p :-)
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, before I forget, happy first night of Hanukkah!
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 8:31 PM EST reply actions
James "Killer" Wright wrecks Pepsi Center
“Killer” broke a pane of glass at Pepsi Center during morning skate. The Lightning posted a picture on Twitter of it (well, more the pane than anything):
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Living up to the nickname, I see.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Warmups have begun at Soda Pop Palace
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It’s Colorado, so it’s pop. And they refer to it locally as The Can. (AKA, the Pepsi Center.)
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
So?
I can’t call it waht I want?
Bah. Bah, I say!
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Sheep? Where? I thought I’d heard some somewhere. Which reminds me…when in Colorado, pass on anything that’s called “Rocky Mountain Oysters”. They are most definitely NOT oysters of any sort.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Steven Stamkos will play tonight for the Lightning
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Malone is in, too. Not sure that’s a good idea – for either of them.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Apologies again for load issues
I was just on Mile High Hockey and it took me like 2 minutes just for the page to load. They really need to fix these issues.
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Remind me to not leave this page tonight, ’kay?
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Hello, how is everyone? (apart from page load issues)
Will try to stay for game depending on computer / internet and other interruptions
Hey hey Jon
I’m ok, how are you? You’re at work on saturday?
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I am pretty good thank you for asking. At home but trying to hook my computer through the TV so will make for interesting times.
I’ve done that – computer and tv – good luck!
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Hockey’s on, so we’re good. Well, I am, at least. How are you?
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Marty piped one. Darn it.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions
another massive opening start though. They've certainly played teh frist few seconds in Colorado's end
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Was there any official announcement about Blair Jones being recalled? I never saw anything.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:11 PM EST reply actions
Only saw it mentioned on a Facebook status.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Montreal got in trouble a few days ago for not reporting a call-up to the league, is why I asked.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think you’re outnumbered. Slumming? ;o)
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
He's outnumbered for sure
how goes Bill?
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. But it’s early yet. We could make something up, I guess, but where’s the challenge with that?
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
An injured player starting instead of scratched.
Though blaming the coach for ego doesn’t do any good. But Tocchet should have said “You’re sitting” and rested his star.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Treat them like men
If they can go then let them play. Somehow, someone has to show leadership.
WB Philp
by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Leadership is not worsening an injury
That’s foolishness. Case in point – Mike Smith, 2008-09. “If you’re able to go, you’re going.” only made him worse.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Any player will downplay his/her injury in order to stay in the lineup. You can’t trust athletes to gauge their injuries – I should know because I totally did that, too. Look at the NFL and the players who deliberately choose to not report their concussions for that very reason – because they didn’t want to not play.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
So you can shoot the puck well on an injured wrist?
Or is that something to blame Vinny for? Making injured wrists out to be something major?
Stamkos didn’t take shots during warmup. What is Stamkos’ job? Score goals. What is he going to do out on ice besides throw checks?
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
He certainly hasn’t been able to win faceoffs, that’s for sure – ever since he jammed his wrist during practice a while back.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
It’s all good. Not a lot has happened yet. Who won?
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ennui? ;)
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Freudian slip. Hey Tina, your slip is showing! ;o)
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
LOL.... oops :)
After that last game thread we had, are you surprised?
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad the men showed up to play on the game thread tonight. Where’s the Vancouver contingent?! Ryan’s got a test, but where’s Alix and Sha-Sha – our partners in crime?
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Thought they might be in since it’s a bit of a later game. It’s early. Maybe they show up.
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta see the deal for Smith first if it were to happen
Tokariski is getting the majority of starts in Norfolk, so you gotta assume that’s who the Bolts would recall. Helenius has more experience though. They lack another body to back up in Norfolk this season, the team would have to sign someone to back up the odd-man-out goalie still in norfolk.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on how the trade is structured. They could end up with another backup goaltender. You just never know what they’ll be trading for.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, hang on.... Did I miss something? are they LOOKING to trade Smith?
or is this just more stupid speculation like the annual “trade Lecavalier” crap?
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for reading our blog, Tina! ;o)
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry :) I haven’t had time to catch up on everything…. I was late getting home and haven’t had time to go back and read. I’ll do that tomorrow morning.
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Via Twitter….
@erlendssontrib: RT @adater Another spotty crowd here CANADIAN MEDIA TRANSLATION – Time to move or contract them!!!
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions
Did you see Mirtle's post on Bolts attendance?
The comments were exactly that.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
The one where he cites “Canadian teams” , “Non Canadien teams not in sunbelt” and “Sunbelt teams”?
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
No, there is a post today on the Lightning attendance fall off specifically
Some fools are generalizing – like we’ve stated. Others are actually aware of which market they are talking about (Tampa Bay) and the fact the city has shown it will support a teamt hat isn’t mismanaged.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
8-|
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Mirtle got a lot of crap over this earlier today on Twitter. Tho he’s really not anti-Sunbelt hockey. He was just offering reasons for why the Canadian hockey media does that. And all kinds of people jumped all over him for it.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Bottom line is win and they'll draw
WB Philp
by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what I keep saying.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Can somebody explain WHY Stamkos and/or Malone is playing tonight? I’d have thought Stammer would be sitting it out, after taking that puck off his wrist bad enough to cut it…
Bad enough for Stamkos to get x-rays for, no less.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
They have leaders – let them lead. They need to have healthy players.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Not steve downie and Paul Szczechura who Tocchet value above all
Or Blair Jones. Or David Hale.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
The veterans and the guys wearing letters. If Tocchet is still looking for leaders then maybe he ought to try trusting the ones he’s got instead of trying to undermine them by encouraging others to take their places. Not that I think he has been, necessarily, but that’s the message a player gets in that situation.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Tocchet is looking for clones
“Scrapy, dog the puck guys who go to the puck.”
A team of third liners isn’t about leadership. It’s about Tocchet seeing guys like himself – throwbacks to pre-lockout hockey.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Wow! Those guys are the leaders on a TEAM!
WB Philp
by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Weak comeback bill, try again.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Have you played? It is the truth!
WB Philp
by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I have played, and it’s not.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
It isn't?
How is it that many captains of great teams were rough and tumble guys that played hurt? Those are the guys that led on my teams in the syone age.
WB Philp
by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Like Wayne Gretzky? or Steve Yzerman?
Don’t exactly fit the “rough and tumble” model…
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree a little
Gretzky was the greatest ever and was obviously the choice for captain Stevie didn’t win until he became that type of player. He played through more severe, brutal injuries than anyone else on those teams.
WB Philp
by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Gretzky was a sniper who didn’t hit and couldn’t play defense to save his life. He just hung around the net and potted in the loose pucks that other people worked hard to get to him. Yeah, he made some nice passes, but more often than not he was just hanging around the side of the net – not even out front.
The Great One was a fantastic goal scorer, but did little else – except whine to the referees constantly during any break in play.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like you’re describing Sidney Crosby…
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Crosby really reminds me of Gretzky – and not in a good way.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Me, too. :oD
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Playing hurt when games matter is leadership. Playing hurt before games matter is dumb. All that does is take guys out of the games that matter.
A real leader picks their spots. Look at Konopka – he’s a natural-born leader. Sure, he fights a lot, but he’s very careful to make sure he doesn’t leave his team shorthanded when he does. But he’s doing what he can with the ability that he has, and he’s fully aware of that.
That doesn’t mean Lecavalier isn’t a leader. He’s a leader in a different way. Sure, he’s no Mark Messier, but he does what he can with the ability that he has – just like Konopka.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Being a leader is realizing that every game counts!
Before games matter? WTF? Please pick out the games on the schedule that don’t matter. I want a refund on those games.
WB Philp
by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Being a leader means doing anything you can for your team within the abilities that you have.
And not every game counts. Preseason? Games in October and November against the other Conference? Yeah, those don’t carry as much weight as division games in March.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Another weak comeback
What’s the truth? You think third line grinders are the team leaders? Lets trade 14 guys on the Lightning and call up the AHL team because they better fit Tocchet’s model — desperate to stay in the league?
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Tocchets Model
I’m not agreeing to “tocchet’s model” whatever that is…but teams can’t win without that kind of player/leader.
WB Philp
by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yes that kind of player is needed. All the good teams and great teams have/had them. But again, that doesn’t make them a leader either.
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
There is a whole lot more to it that just “dog the puck” and score goals…. That is important, but that’s just part of it.
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a goal scorer. Don’t confuse the two.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Being one certainly does not qualify one to be the other too.
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
A guy with a track record of getting suspended for playing with too much emotion
For being reckless, for attacking his own teamates and savaging opponents, leading to being blacklisted by referees around the league?
“Scrappy” yes, “Leader” no. Not until he proves he’s grown up.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
And the leaders are the guys who told him to chill the fudge out
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
regardless of differences
We’re all on the same side here, lets watch some hockey ok?
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No sooner do I say this
Than the 1st ends. Bah. Argue without me though. I’m in the thread but I’d rather watch the game.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Debate's healthy
But I think we mostly missed the first because we got lost in debate.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
We didn't have to reply, you know? ;-)
It takes two, my friend. It’s all good in the end.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
If and when we have an open thread, we’ll let you know. ;o)
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting article, John.
About the potential Smith trade. Personally, I believe if Helenius and Tokarski keep developing they way they are in Norfolk, Smith’s days in Tampa are numbered. If he’s not gone at the trade deadline, then possibly over the summer. Don’t think Lawton will want to lose him as a UFA and not get something back.
It's an interesting situation regardless
But one thing I did not mention in the piece si that the goalie market is saturated right now. Vokoun is supposedly available, as is Biron, and now Smith, and Legace… And others…
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why I would be not so surprised for any trade to take place in the summer. When the market stabilizes (if you can ever consider the goalie market “stable”)
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, here’s what we’ve missed. The Lightning are up 1-0. Downie has the only goal, assisted by Lecavalier and St. Louis.
They’ve got the edge in shots 10-8; St. Louis and Szczechura each have two shots. The also have the lead in faceoffs, having won 53%; Wright is 2-0 (100%) while Lecavalier is 4-2 (67%) and Konopka is 2-1 (67%). The Lightning is being out-hit 7-6. Meszaros and Ohlund each have two turnovers.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 9:50 PM EST reply actions
Fedoruk’s blind pass giveaway was brutal
WB Philp
by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, for some reason the livescore I am looking at says there is still 8 minutes to go in the 1st. (must find better livescore)
Those lags are BRUTAL Jon
I’ve dealt with them before – it’s not a difference between continents, it’s just the software being slow to update.
You can’t get the 620 radio feed?
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Good afternoon to you Jonathon. This game is a bit later, are you still at work or have you finished for the day? (oh, wait, it’s already Saturday there, isn’t it?)
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
What is the time difference between you and us here on the East Coast of the US?
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
remember he's across the International date line, Tina
It’s afternoon/evening there while it’s night here. But he’s a day ahead.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Sweet. Livescore has caught up with radio. To sound optimistic who will score the next Bolts goal?
Also how have the possibly injured Malone and Stamkos playing? Haven’t heard them mentioned much.
They haven’t played as much as they usually do…. Not sure how much shooting Stamkos can actually do with that injured wrist. It was the right one. The left one is the one he had jammed several weeks back in practice, so he may be playing double injured….
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I know there has been a debate during the first period, and I am not trying to beat that dead horse, but if Stamkos is injured (or double injured) what are they thinking playing him? As many commentators seem to point out; … he’s only 19!
I thought teams would want to develop a future franchise all-star, not a future Forsberg.
Lets of back and forth here but there seems to be more time spent ...
In the neutral zone or the Avs end than in the Lightning’s end. Though there was just a stoppage by a save from Niitty.
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Did we drive Bill off?
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions
Well, I did suggest we get back to the game
But no one is talking now. Maybe we should start debating agian? :-/
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
You know, it might just be that there’s been nothing all the remarkable (literally) about this period.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not driven off that easily!
WB Philp
by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Oh good! I was going to have to feel bad if you’d left for good.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
And typically there is more conversation going on
We’re not this lame :-p :-)
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Speak for yourself….
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Killer seems to be having a pretty good game so far.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:20 PM EST reply actions
So he broke a pane of glass at the morning skate, huh? Don’t know his own strength…. :)
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Seems to be a theme with the team lately.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Thought that was Mezzy’s job (to break panes of plexi)
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
‘Cause they can’t hit the net!
WB Philp
by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
So the TB announcers have been going on and on about the altitude and how they need to watch the length of their shifts, but it looks like their shifts have been about the same as usual. No wonder they’re slowing down. I’m sure the elevation is starting to get to them.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:25 PM EST reply actions
That’s where they better be careful in the 3rd. By the end of the game they’ll be sucking wind and running on fumes if they not careful.
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
The already are.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
’Cause their announcers and need something to talk about!
WB Philp
by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
And that should tell you how exciting this game is.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta remember this
Smaby paired with Walker. I never get defense pairings right on the lineup
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Defense pairings? They have defensive pairs? I though they just kinda swapped around for the whole game….
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think they mix those up even more than the offensive lines.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
He was in a funny position when he got hit in the corner a few minutes ago.
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
He took an awkward/borderline hit.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
OH MAN
Blew a two on one rush! Vinny and Marty going in on the net alone!
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It illustrated a problem I noticed from Tanguay
..in general. The guys are not passign fast enough when they do pass. You can’t get the goalie out of postion all the time by simply passing late. You need a laser in a dump off like that before the shot.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
stand corrected
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
It was a nice pass from Vinny off the rebound of his initial shot to Marty, tho.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Just saw the replay. That was a nice pass….
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Bolts don't want this end to end stuff!
The Aves teenagers will outskate them all over the ice
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by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 10:30 PM EST reply actions
He was too close in to the goal to get any openings. He should’ve shot farther out.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
replay says...
He should have passed it back. downie had the open end of the net.
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Remember this missed opportunity
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by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know if I was lulled into submission or am losing concept of time
That period went quick.
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Yes it did. Don't think there were any penalties in that period, were there?
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
There have only been two penalties all game – one for each team. Both in the first, I believe.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
They’re going to slog thru the third period. It’s going to be ugly if they can’t shorten their shifts. And I don’t mean the score, either.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:33 PM EST reply actions
Very off topic but cross promotion
Buc’Em’s weekly caption contest is going on.
http://www.bucem.com/2009/12/10/1195039/bucem-weekly-caption-contest
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If Tanguay wasn't interviewed by Andy I wouldn't have noticed that he was playing tonight
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by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions
I know. Usually a guy plays better against his former team. But he’s been pretty quiet.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Stil 1-0 after two.
Shots are 17-14 Lightning; St. Louis and Szczechura each have three shots. The Lightning just barely have the edge in faceoffs, having won 51% of them; Lecavalier is dominating the faceoff circle winning 75% (9-3). They’re still out-hitting the Avs, now 13-10; Smaby has three hits. The Lightning have actually fewer turnovers than the Avs: 3-6, but one fewer steal as well: 6-7.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions
Yes I am – why?
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Just wondering if you were having issues with the screen freezing up. Mine is going thru this “start-stop-start back” routine for almost all of the intermission…
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. Mine’s been fine. Maybe it’s your connection?
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Could be then. I may have to shut the ‘puter down and restart it and see if that help. I’m using a wireless router with my computer and there have been problems in the past but nothing recent.
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Via Twitter:
@erlendssontrib BTW, Steven Stamkos not taking faceoffs tonight, which is not a surprise. He’s played 10:08 of ice time through two with one shot #NHL
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:46 PM EST reply actions
Meszaros sits – Lightning penalty. Avs PP.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:52 PM EST reply actions
ok...can't take this for the rest of the game...
I’m going to shut down and reboot and see if I can get a better connection. Back as soon as I can.
Good luck!
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
ok… all I am hearing is "save made Nitty… save made Nitty… save made Nitty… "
This is great, but maybe time to clear the puck?
Yeah, I am with you there
I’m yelling at the TV “Get it out of the zone! Clear it!”
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
They can’t be doing that on the PK. They’ve had problems clearing pucks out of their zone all season, tho.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:55 PM EST reply actions
Now they’re tired so they’re being sloppy. Downie to the box. Avalanche PP.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:57 PM EST reply actions
Downie's made careless errors like this early on too
Caps game, anyone?
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
At least they’re clearing the zone on that one.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Killed it
Now will they smarten up?
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Ok. I am back. Seems to be working ok now…. fingers crossed… Weren’t they on a PK when I left too? WTH? starting the parade to the penalty box now?
It’s starting to look that way, yeah.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
And they’re breaking up the monotony by icing the puck periodically, too. This is just sloppy-tired thinking. Everyone needs to manage their shifts better.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Trying to do too much individually as usual. Compounded by the high altitude/thin air. NOT a good combination….
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Lightning team kills off one and Niitty kills off one
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by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 11:02 PM EST reply actions
Niitty looks good tonight.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
The team looks like it's out of gas
Waaaaaaay out of Gas….
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How is this team going to make it thru the next ten minutes? They looks spent. Thankfully, the Avs aren’t doing that well this game.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:07 PM EST reply actions
They’ve already used their time out.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
I was actually referring to all the icings and pucks out of play….
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
And penalties?
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
They just got their first shot on goal this period – halfway thru.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
It was just a matter of time with how this period has been played
Tie game
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…And there you go. The Avalanche score.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:11 PM EST reply actions
It’s under review, but it’ll probably stand.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
You’re just noticing this?
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a Lighting broadcast. He’s allowed.
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I know, that’s why I usually turn the sound off
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by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
So have I – by far!
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely… Pittsburgh and Buffalo come to mind.
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by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Toronto
But that’s more than just sound.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Pittsburgh for sure. Haven’t paid any attention to the Buffalo broadcast before. Dallas broadcasters can be pretty bad too at times.
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I saw it, but it was off to the side of the net.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
That’s all they need – for this to go to OT.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:14 PM EST reply actions
They certainly don’t need OT, but it might be a victory of sorts just to get it to OT…the way the game is going now…
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Moral victories are for losers
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by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but a point in the standings is an inch closer to playoff contention
And the Bolts have been way off the last ten games. 2 points here and then a slew of loses there.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, but I hope the players don’t play for a tie
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by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
With as poorly as they do in the shootout? I wouldn’t think so.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
It’s sad when they have to depend on charity points to make playoffs, tho.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Keystone Kops Kollapse around the puck
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Seriously. All five guys were down around Niittymaki. How can you do anything with that? You can’t. They don’t need six goaltenders.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Is Vinny playing in the third? lol
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by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 11:21 PM EST reply actions
I think he’s been the best player on the ice all game – along with Niittymaki. He’s been setting up some nice plays, when he can.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Colorado’s had 18 shots in the period? That’s not right.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:24 PM EST reply actions
And the only nine scoring chances
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by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t be surprised. They’ve been pounding pretty hard in that period. Starting with those back to back PKs
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Guess what? It’s going to overtime. Nice.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:24 PM EST reply actions
Yikes
If that was how they were playing with 5 men on ice, I hate to see what happens with 4.
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Who's your game winning goal scorer?
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by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 11:25 PM EST reply actions
This is why I hate overtime
Now the Bolts will play for the tie
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by LightningShout on Dec 11, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Can't go with sudden death for logistics reasons
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
What logistics? Their lack of scoring in SO’s? LOL
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think they have more shots in OT already than they did for the entire third. I wouldn’t call that playing for the tie.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly my point.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Playing better in OT 4 on 4 than they did for most of the 3rd….
by Tina Robinson on Dec 11, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hey kittens
How is this Friday night/game treating you?
It's all hot bishes, naps, and dance parties
Hey hey Alix
Deflated by altitude, like the rest of the Bolts
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, Alix! This has been a frustrating game so far. How are you?
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
any word from Ryan on the test?
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
He started
writing at 7. Should be out about 9 I think.
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Oh goody. A shootout. Hooray. :o|
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:32 PM EST reply actions
[Disclaimer: I actually like shootouts. Just don’t like the fact that there’s in this game.]
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
just back from commercial, hang on
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by John Fontana on Dec 11, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Who do you send as your shooters?
Lecavalier, Downie… ?
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After those two, I’d flip a coin. Downie & Lecavalier have been the best players on the ice besides Niittymaki. Take the percentages after that, I guess.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 11, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions