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The Pending (?) Lecavalier Trade

It's interesting how the so-called "rumors" of Vincent Lecavalier being traded from January have slipped into a being a distinct possibility in April. Not just a possibility, but perhaps even a likelihood. And the fan outrage from January about it has faded into a peevish dissatisfaction.

I have to admit that if Vinny Lecavalier is at Tampa Bay Lightning training camp come September, I will be very surprised.

Let's be honest, through serious mismanagement, the Tampa Bay Lightning simply cannot afford him - despite having been the ones who negotiated that 11-year, $85 million contract extension with Lecavalier in the first place. They just laid off 20 people from the front office just yesterday. If you can't see the writing on the wall just with that, then I don't think I can penetrate the level of denial that you're living in.

If Lecavalier's lucky, they'll trade him before his contract extension kicks in July 1st. If he's really unlucky, he could be sitting out or playing hockey in Europe next season because they didn't trade him before July 1st but instead tried to trade him afterwards.

To current team ownership, no-trade clauses mean absolutely nothing. They happily signed Dan Boyle to a contract with a no-trade clause last February, and still managed to move him by July. So even if they can't find a deal they like before that contract extension kicks in, they might try to force Vinny into allowing them to move him to another team, anyways - like they did with Boyle. And if Lecavalier gets stubborn about it and says no, then that could mean him sitting out or playing in another league. Or more.

The initial former head coach, John Tortorella, was furious with how he was fired. Boyle complained of being treated very badly when he was forced to waive his no-trade clause. Former GM Jay Feaster was ignored by ownership and management alike until he got the hint and quietly went away on his own.  The former head coach after Tortorella, Barry Melrose, was unceremoniously canned after 16 games. Mark Recchi wasn't impressed with how he was treated when he was dealt to Boston. And I suspect that Gary Roberts was conveniently forced to retire in an equally unpleasant fashion, but is so far keeping quiet. Obviously, this ownership/management group already has something of an unsavory track record in how they deal with people they find to be expendable.

So if Lecavalier genuinely believes that they'll follow through with their promise to contact him, and/or his agent, before they start talking with other teams, then he's a wide-eyed optimist. They certainly didn't do that before they almost traded him to Montréal in January. And I seriously doubt that they'll do it before they actually do ship him off sometime this summer.

It could get really ugly, and really complicated, really fast. And it could end up involving a lot more than just a single player, his agent, and the GM. The worst case scenario could involve the players union, the league, the owners, and litigation. It just depends on how both sides deal with any of a number of scenarios.

So what are the facts that lead to the conclusion that Lecavalier is likely gone?

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  • Dan Boyle signed a 6-year, $40 million contract with a no-trade clause 25 February 2008.
  • Steven Stamkos is drafted first overall by the Tampa Bay Lightning in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft in Ottawa 20 June 2008.
  • Barry Melrose is hired as coach of the Tampa Bay Lightning 24 June 2008
  • Boyle is traded to San Jose with Brad Lukowich for Matt Carle, Ty Wishart, and two draft picks 04 July 2008.
  • Vincent Lecavalier signed an 11-year, $85 million contract 13 July 2008.
  • Melrose is fired 16 games into the season 15 November 2008. Rumors went around that Lecavalier was a reason why he was fired.
  • By 14 January 2009, while the team was in California, rumors are flying that there's a deal in the works between Tampa Bay and Montréal. Lightning GM Brian Lawton flatly denies the rumors that he has been shopping Lecavalier to Montréal.
  • Lecavalier goes to the All-Star Game in Montréal 25 January 2009 and holds court with all of the NHL's Canadian hockey media stating over and over again that he has no control over the situation.
  • 18 February 2009, Montréal Canadiens' GM Bob Gainey reveals that negotiations with Tampa Bay for a Lecavalier trade were, in fact, going on in January.
  • Lecavalier's season ends early by having wrist surgery 03 April 2009.
  • Stamkos ends rookie season with 23 goals and an invite to Team Canada at the World Championships.
  • The Tampa Bay Lightning ends the 2008-2009 29th overall in the NHL, and is awarded the second overall pick in the 2009 NHL Entry Draft in Montréal.

(The bottom line is this: Lecavalier was expendable the moment they drafted a center (Stamkos) first overall in the 2008 draft. It was just a matter of when Stamkos would be ready to carry the team on his own. Since the ownership insisted early on that Stamkos stay and play in Tampa, instead of being sent back to juniors like he probably should've been, that was probably going to happen sooner rather than later in the eyes of the ownership. And that's not Stamkos's fault; that's just how the business side of hockey goes. The younger and cheaper player typically wins out over the older and more expensive player of a similar talent level.)

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The fundamental problem with Lecavalier's contract situation is one simple fact - under the current Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), players are not allowed to renegotiate standing contracts. Article 11, Section 11.10 of the NHL-NHLPA 2005 CBA states that "No Renegotiation. In no event shall a Club or a Player negotiate a change any terms of a Player SPC [Standard Player's Contract] for the then-current season or for any remaining season of an SPC."

I can understand why the NHLPA would want that little blurb in there, but it's a little shortsighted if you ask me. There should've been some amendment to that allowing renegotiation under certain extenuating circumstances. The economy notwithstanding. It helps the players in the short run, but not in the long run. In Lecavalier's situation, if allowed to renegotiate in the case where the contract is detrimental to the team due to economics (yes, I know - really poor management), and if the player is above a certain age and wants to stay since he has a vested interest in the community and has been with the same team for a certain length of time, then they should be able to do that.

I realize the NHLPA's argument against that is that the team should never have signed a player to a contract that they ultimately couldn't afford and the team ought to pay the penalty - even if it's at the detriment of the individual player. And it sets a bad precedent to allow a player to downgrade his contract in the overall scheme of the union. It's for the greater good of the union and the players overall and blah, blah, blah. But ultimately, shouldn't it be the other way around? Isn't the union supposed to represent the players and not the players represent the union?

I can't help but wonder if Lecavalier realizes just how much power he has in this situation. It'd be easy for a person in his position to feel powerless, but he's probably got the most power of anyone in this situation. For instance, he can beat the team to the punch and ask for a trade before the draft. Or, in the event that they try to force him to waive his no-trade clause after July 1st, he can refuse and cause all kinds of problems. Not just for the team, but for the NHL and/or the NHLPA. He could force a revamp the CBA all on his own, for good or ill. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would do that, but there are all kinds of options there for him to do, or not do, as the case may be.

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No one wants to see Lecavalier go - his coaches don't, his teammates don't, the fans don't, and Vinny himself doesn't, either. Whether the owners and management do or not is up for debate. But the fact is that he was as good as gone when they drafted Stamkos, traded Boyle, and signed Melrose last July - even before he signed that contract. It was just a matter of time is all. That was obvious to me at the time, although most people didn't seem to understand that.

Now it's a matter of where he'll end up. The most obvious choice is Montréal, but I don't know if that's likely. They definitely want him, but does he want them? And if it is open season on Lecavalier, and the entire league gets a shot at him, will the Canadiens be able to offer the best deal? Who needs a world-class center in his prime, who has the depth to get him, and who can afford his contract under the salary cap? I'm guessing that there are only a handful of teams that would be able to meet all of those criteria.

I haven't touched on whether or not Tampa Bay will get what they should for Lecavalier in a trade. The reason for that is what most people would agree would be a good deal is probably not what the Lightning will want. In January, the asking price seemed to be pretty high - or so the rumors went. However, I think that the asking price is going to drop significantly this summer for payroll reasons and due to time constraints. There's no way that the Lightning are going to be able to get what he's worth out of another team - even the generally agreed value and not the pie in the sky value they'd placed on him midway through the season. Other teams know that they have to get him off their payroll before July 1st, so other teams will work that to their advantage. I expect they'll end up trading him for almost nothing because of it. Relatively speaking, I mean.

Will Lecavalier stay? Will he go? And if he goes, where will he end up? Your guess is as good as mine. Right now, though, it looks as if he'll probably end up going. We'll see how it ends up. Eventually.

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Stamkos shouldn't be the reason Vinny is dealt

I brought it up in one of the FanPosts — the Lightning were most effective as a two line team. They would be a one-line team and putting all their eggs in one basket by trading Vincent (well, depending on what is brought back in return). Stamkos’ first year production doesn’t begin to address growing pains he’s likely to have more of before he’s at his most dominant level.

That being common sense… And OK (not really) Hockey is not always displaying common sense in their management style.

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by John Fontana on Apr 14, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

This is quite the convicing argument.

I can definitely see where you’re coming from here. Personally, I’m quite hesitant to pull the bad ownership card after just one season, but I certainly agree that this season was quite a disaster. So I’m going to offer my counterpoints.

Starting with Boyle, I don’t think this ownership group wanted him in the first place; they wanted to trade him if I recall correctly but Fester went to bat for him and got an extension in return. That may or may not have ultimately cost him his job.

I have a tendency to look at player acquisition and player coaching as a collective unit. There are some situations where you can break them apart and find clear, defined faults with one or the other, but the days of yore where GMs in sports franchises just grab a player, hand him to a coach and say ‘coach this guy’ are all but gone. Usually they work together to determine a teams needs and find players who can fill them. As a unit, Feaster and Torts combined had not done a good job at over the past few years resolving the issues with goaltending and defense. When Torts, as stubborn as he was, changes the team mantra from ‘safe is death’ to ‘safe is OK’, that’s not good. This team’s farm system was (and pretty much still is) virtually barren. I was in favor of the dismissal of both even though I thought that neither of them were that bad at their job. They just hadn’t been good at what they were doing for too long.

That being said, Barry was not a good fit for this team at all. He was far too heavy-handed early on and he did a really bad job handling criticism. Handing your team over to your assistant coach 12 or so games into your gig to run practices because you think you team needs a vacation from you? He might as well have handed in his resignation after his little walk around the park, he lost that locker room on his own accord.

The article you linked in reference to the Recchi trade doesn’t give me any impression at all that he was aggravated with how he was handled as much as the typical comments one sees when they leave a team that isn’t even close to a contender in favor of one who is. I think you’re reading a bit too deeply into that. That being said, since I have different points of view from what you’re saying, I feel that thinking that Gary Roberts was forced into retirement against his will is speculative and rather malicious. Andrechuyk was forced to retire and he let everyone know it but came back on hindsight and realized that he was just too slow for the new NHL. It’s getting very hard to play in the NHL past your late 30s now because the game is just too fast, and teams without speed are teams without wins.

I will agree with you on Lecavalier though, I don’t think he’s around next year. Canada, and by them I mean the entire country, seemingly loves him. Every year since he’s come into the league, without fail, trade rumors have surrounded him. I normally dismiss them as garbage, but you’re right in saying that the team can’t afford to pay him. The Bolts have been at or near the bottom of the league in ticket costs since…well, forever. Even after winning the cup, and the lockout, after raising their prices, and 80something straight sellouts, they were still lower 3rd in the league in average cost for 4 to go to a game. Something is wrong with that picture. That is a management that somehow completely failed in capitalizing on revenues while the team was at their maximum value.

That however, lies squarely at the feet of the Palace Sports group, not OK Hockey. Where OK has failed on a standpoint of personnel management this year, Palace in my eyes completely dropped the ball to the same level of calamity for three straight years financially by selling out every game and making the playoffs yet still reporting operating losses. Not that this is the right thing to do, but OK has followed the Art Williams playbook step-by-step so far; take a cash-strapped team, draft the next great player, force him to play while he wasn’t ready, inject lots of money into payroll and surround him with over-priced, undervalued talent, then dump it all at the end of the year because you’ve already overreached yourself. Trading Vinny is the 2nd to last step in this process. The bolts aren’t good. They’re far from being good, and Vinny is really the only way to get the pieces necessary to start the rebuilding process. The only thing left is to see if they turn around and sell a pretty much barren franchise or if they decide to rebuild it themselves.

I know Vinny likes it here, but I’m pretty sure he’d be open to a trade at this point. He has to see the writing on the wall that they can’t afford to make the team better and that moving on is a mutual best interest. This team may not be good again until after he’s peaked, and the financial burden on OK is only going to be worse next year since the economy won’t have fully recovered by then. I’d think as long as they are straight with him and work a deal with a competitive team, we will have seen the last of Lecavalier in a Lightning uniform.

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by kericr on Apr 16, 2009 1:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm....

Malicious? I’m not sure what to say to that since it suggests a level of feeling that I just don’t have in regards to the Roberts retirement situation. But it was pure speculation on my part – which is why I used the words “I suspect…” before I said it. And perhaps I am reading too much into Recchi’s comments, but that’s how they struck me when I read them initially – and even still today.

Obviously, you know far more about the inner workings of the situation than I do. I can only speculate on the information that’s publicly available since I don’t know anyone on the team or within the organization, which puts me at a disadvantage. It’s not that I think that OK Hockey are bad people; they’re just inexperienced and arrogant. And I have little respect for people who treat others poorly in hopes that they’ll take the hint and leave. Perhaps with a couple more years of experience it’ll be a different story, but so far they’ve been making poor decisions and seemingly not learning from their previous mistakes, and that’s very frustrating.

I don’t agree that this is the last we’ve seen of Lecavalier in a Lightning uniform. For now, probably, but there seems to be a tradition of players coming back to play for the Lightning multiple times, such as Gratton and Prospal have, for instance. It may not be for a few years, but I think he could come back – maybe to end his career there.

Nice rebuttle. Very impressively done. If you don’t have a hockey blog, maybe you should consider having one.

Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Apr 16, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Speculation probably fits better then maliciousness.

My point was more along the lines of ‘I don’t agree with your speculative analysis’ then ‘I think you’re hatemongering’, so bad phrasing there, I apologize. We’ll have to agree to disagree with the Recchi comments, we see the same thing and are interpreting it differently.

I don’t prose to know any more about the inner workings then you do; but I have followed the team since about 1994 when I really started paying attention to sports in general, so I was around for the Yakuza wispers about Kokusai Green and Art Williams. I don’t know anybody within the organization; my comments on the ownership wanting to trade Boyle were based around what I interpreted based on what Jay Fester said about him, as the rumors during the deadline of his final year reached their crescendo, followed by his sudden dismissal. Jay clearly implied during multiple interviews that he was being pressured to trade Boyle and that he wasn’t going to do it and signed him to an extension instead while trading away Richards. He never outright said it because that could open him up to all kinds of legal trouble, but he couldn’t have been much clearer if he had come out and said it outright.

The Barry Melrose stuff was all out in the open as well. I know what I quoted was a paraphrase and not exact, but he did say something to the effect of having Tocchet run a couple of practices because the players needed a break from him; and it was reported both in the Times and the Tribune as well as on 620.

I’m flattered that you thought my argument was compelling enough to think I had some inside info, but that’s just not the case. And if you checked out my web development blog, you’d see that I don’t like carrying blogs because I don’t generate compelling content often enough. I like to participate, not create. I like what you guys have going on here and RJ is doing what he can to get the word out.

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by kericr on Apr 16, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Vinny is traded this team will be 10 times worse this season. Very simple, Stamkos really never was going against the opposing teams #1 d pairings for almost the majority of the season. At 6’ and on a line with Marty 5’7" and slow footed Malone, opposing teams top D will shut this line down with regularity. ITs really not rocket science, Stamkos was better when Vinny was in the line-up. Vinny is the best player on this team and other coaches know it. Take that away and the who;le team suffers regardless who gets brought in to replace him if he’s dealt. Even if the stats were not there for whatever reason, just his presence made other teams worry more about him than say a Stamkos or a Malone/Prospal( Marty im sure worries everyone as well). Bottom line, trading Vinny will doom this franchise.

by daaamatt on Apr 19, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

But they still can’t afford him. When his contract extension kicks in July 1st, Lecavalier’s paycheck will take up a full quarter of the entire payroll. In order to keep him, they’d have to gut the team – which will still make them less than stellar. Either way, it’s a no-win situation for Tampa Bay fans.

Cassie
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by Cassie McClellan on Apr 19, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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