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Possible trade destinations for Lecavalier

Ever since Vincent Lecavalier was drafted into the NHL by the Tampa Bay Lightning in 1998, there have been rumors of him being traded to the Montréal Canadiens. For the most part, it’s just been wishful thinking by Montréal fans because they want the best French Canadian NHLers to play for the Canadiens. Last January, according to Montréal’s general manager Bob Gainey, those ever-present rumors came close to becoming reality.

It’s a well-known fact that the Tampa Bay Lightning are not in the best financial situation. But a lot of teams in the NHL aren’t, so that’s not too surprising. It’s also a well-known fact that Vinny has an 11-year, $85 million contract extension with a no-trade clause that kicks in July 1st. Potentially, the option that is now on the table that may ease some of the Lightning’s financial pain is to trade Lecavalier for some desperately needed defense, draft picks, and/or prospects.

Unfortunately, contracts in the NHL cannot be renegotiated once they’ve been signed. So the natural assumption has been that the Lightning would probably trade Lecavalier before July 1st while they’re still able to. And the most likely scenario would be to trade him either right before or at the draft – which, interestingly enough, is in Montréal this June. Though the rumors have been going on for years, do the Canadiens really have a need for a player such as Vinny?

Montréal is hardly the only team in the NHL that could be interested in Tampa Bay’s captain. Just because there haven’t been many rumors about trading Lecavalier to other teams doesn’t mean that teams around the league aren’t evaluating what they have and thinking about making their own offers. Obviously, though, not every team will be able to pull off such a trade.

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There are a number of teams that could use a top-line center. And there are a few teams that were very disappointed in their playoff showing that could be looking to revamp their lineup. Based on those two criteria, as well as team depth charts, the current salary cap (which isn’t expected to change much next season), monies committed towards the salary cap for the next two seasons, and the number of restricted free agents (RFAs) and unrestricted free agents (UFAs), a list can be made as to which teams that might be in the running.

First, a couple of notes: All the numbers are from the 2008-2009 season unless otherwise noted. The centers listed were chosen according to who scored the most points at that position for each team. Information about no-trade clauses was not available. The current cap floor is $40.7 million, while the current cap ceiling is $56.7 million. And as for Lecavalier himself, keep in mind that his numbers are from a season when Vinny was playing with a bad wrist and recovering from shoulder surgery.

Tampa Bay – 14th in the Eastern Conference
○ $38.595 million (’09-’10)
   ○ 7 UFAs, 6 RFAs
○ Vincent Lecavalier: 6’4", 225 lbs., 29 years old
   ○ 77 games – 29 G, 38 A, 67 P, 54 PIM, -9
   ○ $10 million (‘09-‘10), $10 million (’10-’11)

Eastern Conference

Boston – 1st in the Eastern Conference; lost to #6 Carolina in the second round
○ $46.733 million (’09-’10)
   ○ 6 UFAs, 4 RFAs
○ Marc Savard: 5’10", 195 lbs, 32 years old
   ○ 82 games; 25 G, 63 A, 88 P, 70 PIM, +25
   ○ $5 million (‘09’10), UFA (’10-’11)

Boston is in an intriguing situation. While they certainly aren’t happy with falling out in the second round, they did have a lot of injuries and it was an improvement over last season’s one series-and-done performance. Their salary cap is a bit high as well, but may want to tweak their lineup a bit, which is why they’re included on this list. They’re pretty deep at defense, so the Lightning might have a variety of return possibilities from the Bruins.

Montréal – 9th in the Eastern Conference
○ $23.521 million (’09-’10)
   ○ 10 UFAs, 5 RFAs
○ Saku Koivu: 5’10", 185 lbs., 33 years old
   ○ 65 games – 16 G, 34 A, 50 P, 44 PIM, +4
   ○ UFA (‘09-‘10)

Surprisingly, Montréal does have need for a top-line center. Nothing against Koivu, of course, but there is the potential for the Canadiens to not re-sign him. They were very disappointed in how they finished this season, and are looking to overhaul the team. There are rumors that the current owners are looking to sell, they do need a new head coach, and Gainey’s position as the general manager isn’t all that secure. While they are also fairly deep back on the blue line, the defenseman that keeps getting mentioned in the Montréal-Tampa Bay trade rumors is Mike Komisarek. And then there’s the added bonus that they’ve long wanted Vinny in a Habs’ uniform, so they might be willing to give more up to the Lightning than other teams would for him.

Western Conference

Edmonton – 11th in the Western Conference
○ $46.946 million (’09-’10)
   ○ 3 UFAs, 4 RFAs
○ Shawn Horcoff: 6’1", 200 lbs, 30 years old
   ○ 80 games – 17 G, 36 A, 53 P, 39 PIM, +7
   ○ $7 million (‘09-‘10), $6.5 million (‘10-‘11)

Edmonton isn’t as deep, but they are looking to revamp their team as well. Defensively, they’re okay after you get past Sheldon Souray. But they are very interested in adding more scoring up front.

Los Angeles
– 14th in the Western Conference
○ $43.188 million (’09-’10)
   ○ 2 UFAs, 3 RFAs
○ Anze Kopitar: 6’4", 220 lbs, 22 years old
   ○ 82 games – 27 G, 39 A, 66 P, 32 PIM, -17
   ○ $6.8 million (‘09-‘10), $6.8 million (‘10-‘11)

LA is a younger team that hasn’t been doing as well as they’d like. They’re looking to move up in the standings and could use some veteran talent. Rumors have it that defenseman Jack Johnson is not happy in LA and would like to be moved. Most importantly, they have plenty of cap room. This is a team that may be willing to give away some draft picks.

Nashville
– 10th in the Western Conference
○ $32.987 million (’09-’10)
   ○ 8 UFAs, 2 RFAs
○ Jason Arnott: 6’3", 220 lbs., 34 years old
   ○ 65 games – 33 G, 24 A, 57 P, 49 PIM, +2
   ○ $4.5 million (‘09-‘10), $4.5 million (‘10-‘11)

Nashville is a bit more financially stable than people think, which is why they made this list. They have some older forwards and could use someone in their prime. They’re pretty deep at defense, and though most of their defensemen are in their 30s, that would definitely be a benefit for the much younger Lightning defense.

San Jose
– 1st in the Western Conference; lost to #8 Anaheim in the first round
○ $46.751 million (’09-’10)
   ○ 8 UFAs, 4 RFAs
○ Joe Thornton: 6’4", 235 lbs., 30 years old
   ○ 82 games – 25 G, 61 A, 86 P, 56 PIM, +16
   ○ $7.2 million (‘09-‘10), $7.2 million (‘10-‘11)

It’s pretty safe to say that the San Jose Sharks were not happy with their playoff performance. Being the number one team in the NHL and then losing to the eighth seed is obviously not a good showing. Thornton, in particular, has been singled out as having had a very poor playoff series. So poor, in fact, that there have been people in Canada questioning whether or not he should be on the Olympic team. If the Lightning want to pull off a one-for-one trade, this one could be it.

Vancouver – 3rd in the Western Conference; lost to #4 Chicago in the second round
○ $33.283 million (’09-’10)
   ○ 9 UFAs, 3 RFAs
○ Henrik Sedin: 6’2", 195 lbs., 29 years old
   ○ 82 games – 22 G, 6 A, 82 P, 48 PIM, +22
   ○ UFA (‘09-‘10)

Vancouver has a very interesting situation on their hands. Both Daniel and Henrik Sedin are UFAs this summer, as is D Mattias Ohlund. Goalie Roberto Luongo is being painted as the scapegoat for losing in the second round. And there are a couple of players that might prefer a change of scene, Tayler Pyatt being one of those because of his recent tragedy. Vancouver’s a team in flux, and they might be willing to give up quite a lot for Lecavalier. Already the names of both Sedins, Ohlund, and Luongo are being mentioned in some block buster trade rumors.

Where Lecavalier might go, and who for, is still up in the air. There are possibilities outside of Montréal, however. Surprisingly, Montréal itself seems to have a legitimate reason for making a trade. And with a little more than a month until the 2009 NHL Entry Draft, as well as free agency starting on July 1st, the situation will start becoming clearer soon enough. The rumor mill will start up again in earnest, and more player names and teams will be added to the list. Then we will all finally see if Vincent Lecavalier ends up staying in Tampa Bay – or not – after all.

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Possible trade destinations for Vinny

Terrific post dagmar27! Full of pertinent information and facts. Well done! I think Vinny is still headed to Montreal. They can’t help themselves from going after the best French-Canadian player in the world. It’s not just a team need, it is a provincial need!

WB Philp

by LightningShout on May 19, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

So many rumors are just what fans want, and not what a team actually needs. So, I wanted to know if the Canadiens actually needed Vinny. I decided to see if Montréal had a legitimate case, and then expanded it to the rest of the league from there.

Cassie
"And will that be cash, hip check, or Raw Charge today?"

by Cassie McClellan on May 20, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Provincial need

It’s also a provincial need to go out and expect the world once someone of that stature (to Hab fans) is acquired. And when they don’t live up to the expectations? Look out…

But that’s a truth with any big-ticket trade acquisition for any team… It’s just a little more complicated in Montreal with how savage the media and the fans can get (see how they went after Alex Tanguay and the rest of the team after a first round bouncing from the playoffs)

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by John Fontana on May 20, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First timer.

This is my first post here but this caught my attention.

This is a definately well thought out and well written article, which is a relief from the one about this same subject on hockey buzz where the person writing it attempted to sound like they knew the realm of hockey so well that she continued to go on about Lecavalier having a no-trade clause and how he faced the possibility of being put in the same situation as Boyle was put in, when someone who claims they know that much about hockey should know atleast this players contract.

Anyhow, back to the point, all I have is an opinion at this time, and that is that Gainey pretty much screwed Montreal out of getting Vinny by publicly criticizing Lawton, the only way Vinny wears a Montreal sweater while Gainey is in control is if the Habs give up the stable for him, otherwise Lawton will probably let that call go to voicemail if it’s from Gainey.

The other thing is, it’s a hefty contract for anyone to take on no matter who has the cap space or not. Who says the cap won’t drop again next year? And if he is moved, no team out of the east should touch him because with what he could bring Tampa could possibly make them a threat, nor would Tampa want to face him down the line. So I really don’t see them moving him, and with the talk of seeking new investors, i’m sure someone will come in and suddenly his contract is saved, he could invest if he wanted to, look at “Super” Mario Lemueix .

Sorry for the babble, but good post none the less.

by IWrestledAPuckOnce on May 22, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That sort of sounds like a blog I’d written a month or so ago.

The Pending (?) Lecavalier Trade

Cassie
"And will that be cash, hip check, or Raw Charge today?"

by Cassie McClellan on May 22, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About the no trade clause? Whoever gets him is stuck with him, he’s got a no movement clause. The ownership can bully him all they want after July 1st and all that’s going to happen is intentional lack-luster play on his part which the most they can do to “punish him” is to make him a healthy scratch. Can’t be demoted to the AHL or as I read someone say elsewhere: “…can’t even be looked at sternly by coaching staff.” Think about it, you are another GM and you know that no matter how much or how little you give up to get him, there’s the risk that he will under perform, or maybe get injured and end up no better than umm, Prospal? And on top of that, if Montreal gets him, and they don’t win a cup that same season and the fans place the blame on him (i.e. Roy, or more recently Price.), suddenly he doesn’t care to play that much there, now they are stuck with him unless he asks for a trade or accepts a trade, which at that point, they’ll be hard pressed to find a team who can accomodate his contract. I know it’s all wishful thinking.

I think more people want to see Lecavalier traded because it would be a huge shake-up and I think despite the successes that Tampa has had and will have again, everyone outside of this city wants to see the Bolts fail. Alot of the reasons why he’ll be traded are just a result of digging.

by IWrestledAPuckOnce on May 23, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was pretty sure Lecavalier had a no-movement clause in his contract, but I couldn’t find anything to confirm that so I left it at the standard no-trade clause.

Cassie
"And will that be cash, hip check, or Raw Charge today?"

by Cassie McClellan on May 24, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post Cassie.

A little bit more on Vinny this morning at Spector’s Hockey regarding the Kings/Bolts. I posted it up in a FanShot, but should have cross-posted it here.

Frankly, Spector is dead-on about the Habs not holding enough cards (ie talent) to satisfy the Lightning’s needs.

by Donny Rivette on May 24, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks – for the compliment and the heads-up.

Cassie
"And will that be cash, hip check, or Raw Charge today?"

by Cassie McClellan on May 24, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whale4ever.. Not enough in the Habs cupboard for the Lightening to look at their grocery list?? Seriously?

Whale4ever.. Not enough in the Habs cupboard for the Lightening to look at their grocery list?? Seriously?With the back log of talented and youthful D that Montreal has coming up this year from Hamilton, I can’t imagine something there wouldn’t entice TB to take a look, despite a flurry of words from Gainey after the playoffs about confidentiality.

Whale4ever.. Not enough in the Habs cupboard for the Lightening to look at their grocery list?? Seriously?With the back log of talented and youthful D that Montreal has coming up this year from Hamilton, I can’t imagine something there wouldn’t entice TB to take a look, despite a flurry of words from Gainey after the playoffs about confidentiality.The state of the league and its salary cap is enough for Oren to start looking for buyers. I like the digging that was done for this article, though I can’t think that the Oilers or Vancouver would dig their pockets for the change required to keep Vinny after stupid cap moves in there recent yrs (Van with Sundin at 10 mill, and the Oil and Penner??). The Habs had cap room even with paying all of their top dogs (albeit they weren’t being paid the Kings Ransom).

Whale4ever.. Not enough in the Habs cupboard for the Lightening to look at their grocery list?? Seriously?With the back log of talented and youthful D that Montreal has coming up this year from Hamilton, I can’t imagine something there wouldn’t entice TB to take a look, despite a flurry of words from Gainey after the playoffs about confidentiality.The state of the league and its salary cap is enough for Oren to start looking for buyers. I like the digging that was done for this article, though I can’t think that the Oilers or Vancouver would dig their pockets for the change required to keep Vinny after stupid cap moves in there recent yrs (Van with Sundin at 10 mill, and the Oil and Penner??). The Habs had cap room even with paying all of their top dogs (albeit they weren’t being paid the Kings Ransom).I think LA is an interesting trade partner, however, is Jack Johnson alone enough for the deal to get done. And how much creedence can we give the rumors of Jack’s Dad looking for a KHL suitor?

Whale4ever.. Not enough in the Habs cupboard for the Lightening to look at their grocery list?? Seriously?With the back log of talented and youthful D that Montreal has coming up this year from Hamilton, I can’t imagine something there wouldn’t entice TB to take a look, despite a flurry of words from Gainey after the playoffs about confidentiality.The state of the league and its salary cap is enough for Oren to start looking for buyers. I like the digging that was done for this article, though I can’t think that the Oilers or Vancouver would dig their pockets for the change required to keep Vinny after stupid cap moves in there recent yrs (Van with Sundin at 10 mill, and the Oil and Penner??). The Habs had cap room even with paying all of their top dogs (albeit they weren’t being paid the Kings Ransom).I think LA is an interesting trade partner, however, is Jack Johnson alone enough for the deal to get done. And how much creedence can we give the rumors of Jack’s Dad looking for a KHL suitor?AS a Habs fan would I love for Vinny to don the Bleu, Blanc et Rouge, I’d be lying if I said no. There are fences to be mended before it happens, and I think the ownership issue will be the leading reason a deal gets done or doesn’t.

Whale4ever.. Not enough in the Habs cupboard for the Lightening to look at their grocery list?? Seriously?With the back log of talented and youthful D that Montreal has coming up this year from Hamilton, I can’t imagine something there wouldn’t entice TB to take a look, despite a flurry of words from Gainey after the playoffs about confidentiality.The state of the league and its salary cap is enough for Oren to start looking for buyers. I like the digging that was done for this article, though I can’t think that the Oilers or Vancouver would dig their pockets for the change required to keep Vinny after stupid cap moves in there recent yrs (Van with Sundin at 10 mill, and the Oil and Penner??). The Habs had cap room even with paying all of their top dogs (albeit they weren’t being paid the Kings Ransom).I think LA is an interesting trade partner, however, is Jack Johnson alone enough for the deal to get done. And how much creedence can we give the rumors of Jack’s Dad looking for a KHL suitor?AS a Habs fan would I love for Vinny to don the Bleu, Blanc et Rouge, I’d be lying if I said no. There are fences to be mended before it happens, and I think the ownership issue will be the leading reason a deal gets done or doesn’t.So here’s to Serge Savard making the buy a quick one, to Gainey for convincing Serge and Oren that this deal is a good one, and to Vinny making a quick return for Les Boys!!

by Cruisin4aBruisin on May 30, 2009 1:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Apologies

I have no idea why it posted like that. Please don’t ban me for flooding.

by Cruisin4aBruisin on May 30, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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