Another Unlikely Scenario - John Moore
I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, "Who? I've never heard of this guy. Why would the Lightning want to pick him?"
In the event that Victor Hedman is chosen by the New York Islanders first overall...well, let me just say that I don't think Tavares will go second. At least, not to the Lightning. No, instead, I think that they could pull a serious upset.
It's common knowledge that the Lightning need help on defense. So why would they pick yet another center in either John Tavares or Matt Duchene? And most of the top ten prospects ranked are, in fact, centers.
They already have two franchise centers in Vincent Lecavalier and Steven Stamkos. To pick another would likely mean that they'd have to trade someone or something - either Lecavalier, the second overall pick, or the actual center picked second overall by Tampa Bay. Any and all of those scenarios aren't going to keep them many fans.
John Moore is the highest-ranked North American defenseman by NHL Central Scouting. Oliver Ekman Larsson of Sweden is the next highest-ranked European defenseman after Hedman. Unfortunately for us, Central Scouting doesn't combine the two lists to give us a comprehensive view of who's supposedly better than the other. You have to judge on your own between the North American rankings and the European rankings. However, judging by the current roster, I have reason to believe that they could take Moore second overall. Or, perhaps, trade down and still draft him.
The current ownership has been in charge for over a year now. And in that span of time, they've completely overhauled the roster. There are only a handful of players left from the previous season at this point.What many people may not realize is that there are a lot of college guys on that roster. Most of them are American-born, too. There is a distinct preference for both American players and players who have gone the college route to make it into the NHL.
Now, I am not saying nor implying that the Lightning don't like Canadians or Europeans. I don't think any of this is actually a conscious decision on anyone's part. I'm just making observations about their roster - these are the facts in front of me in black and white.
The following players are listed on the Tampa Bay Lightning's official roster on their website at this time, unless otherwise noted.
Americans-born players:
RW Brandon Bochenski
RW Adam Hall
C Jeff Halpern
LW Ryan Malone
D Matt Lashoff
D Mike Lundin (not currently on the roster; finished the season in the NHL due to the potential of being claimed off of re-entry waivers)
D Richard Petiot
D Matt Smaby
D Noah Welch
G Mike McKenna
College players (and years played at the college or university attended - Americans previously listed in italics):
RW Brandon Bochenski – North Dakota, 3 years
RW Adam Hall – Michigan State, 4 years
C Jeff Halpern – Princeton, 4 years
D Mike Lundin – Maine, 4 years
LW Ryan Malone – St. Cloud State, 4 years
G Mike McKenna – St. Lawrence, 4 years
D Cory Murphy – Colgate, 4 years
D Richard Petiot – Colorado College, 4 years
D Matt Smaby – North Dakota, 3 years
RW Martin St. Louis – Vermont, 4 years
C Paul Szczechura – Western Michigan, 4 years
D Noah Welch – Harvard, 4 years
Seem to be quite a few of them, huh? Also remember that at the end of the 2008-2009 college hockey season, the Lightning tried signing American defenseman Matt Gilroy, who was then with Boston University. He instead signed with the New York Rangers as a free agent. Incidentally, he won the Hobey Baker Award (Best College Hockey Player) this last season.
The first American-born defenseman that has committed to a college or university, and is available in the 2009 NHL Entry Draft, is...John Moore. He has committed to play with Colorado College in the fall. Currently playing with the Chicago Steel of the United States Hockey League (USHL), he put up some pretty respectable offensive numbers. He had 39 points in 57 games scoring 14 goals. Not bad for a defenseman.
It's pretty apparent what kind of player Tampa Bay gravitates towards. And that's why I believe that, if Victor Hedman goes first overall, the Lightning could do the unexpected. They could draft a player that they need, rather than one that everyone expects them to simply because Central Scouting has him ranked hightly. And they need defense.
There is the possiblity of trading picks with the Toronto Maple Leafs, who choose seventh overall in the draft this year. Brian Burke has made no secret of the fact that he wants to pick up Tavares. And as a man who managed to pick up both Sedins in the same draft, you might have to take that seriously. If Hedman goes first, a trade would benefit both the Leafs and the Lightning - particularly if Tampa Bay gets a little something to sweeten the deal.
After Hedman, it comes down to Moore or Ekman Larsson. Either of them would be a good choice, but Moore would fit into their mold better. Being an American-born, college route prospect , I think he'd be the obvious choice based upon the current roster.
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why even bother?
It’s an interesting idea. and i’ve even mentioned to some friends how the Lightning have always preferred north american players and therefore, i was hesitant to put all my faith in Hedman. It’s more of a culture thing. On a team with so many north americans, the very few europeans probably feel…..well…. like a minority. anyways, all that aside, there’s no way John Moore gets picked second. NO WAY. You’d have to be the dumbest GM in the world to do that. Trade down? maybe if it’s actually a helpful trade. The only thing lookin ok from Toronto is Schenn and I don’t think they will part with him.
If the Islanders are dumb enough to pick Hedman first, we should glady take Tavares. The lightning need to stop being a 1 and a half line team. So more help up front (or down the middle) will not hurt this club. If scouting is done properly, grab future D men in later rounds. The lightning need to focus on grabbing the best players, not focusing on one aspect where the team needs to improve on. The team needs to improve on everything. We shouldn’t fool ourselves into thinking the Lightning will be competitive next year. If they make the playoffs, it’ll be by luck and they will be gone in the first round. Lightning management (and their fans) need to have a 3 to 5 year timeline in minds.
Owners obviously didn’t think 3 to 5 years down the line when they gave Lecavalier the most ridiculous contract ever. Sorry, i love the guy, but 10 million a year for that long? He’s had one 50 goal season. He isn’t Ovechkin. 7 to 8 million a year would have been plenty. Of course…we can go back and say that Richard’s ridiculous contract has something to do with it, but that’s another story. Thank goodness Dallas was dumb enough to eat it.
by AustinxBolts on Jun 18, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
We need to take the best player available regardless of position. I dont understand why we couldnt just move Tavares to LW or RW if he fell to us. Plus we have 2 second round picks as well. We could package them and a player for someone’s first rounder to draft a defensemen.
by dannythegreat on Jun 18, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all a moot point anyways
because i will be extremely shocked if Tavares doesn’t go first. all this talk about what if’s is just that. talk. :) What will happen is the most logical. Tavares will go first. Hedman will go second. At least he can fool around with Ramo and the other guys when they play their soccer/volleyball thing before games, so hopefully he’ll fit in and be happy. Which is a valid concern. 18 yr old kid leaving a home country is a pretty big change. especially when you enter a team with such a strong north american culture as the bolts. worth the reminder. and that is really my single concern with drafting hedman. the interviews with him seem to make me feel better about it though.
by AustinxBolts on Jun 19, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the top three is this good, you can't give up the number two on Moore, regardless of how good he is.
If you want him and need him that bad, trade down for a series of picks and you can get a Moore, and perhaps a puck mover and someone like a Bertilsson.
by BrokeBearMountain on Jun 21, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey guys – take another look at the title of the post. “Unlikely” is the key word there. This was to get people to think outside of the top-three box that the hockey media has been force-feeding everyone. Just because Tavares, Hedman, and Duchene are there doesn’t mean that the Lightning has to take any of them.
Cassie
"And will that be cash, hip check, or Raw Charge today?"
by Cassie McClellan on Jun 22, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i understand that you think it unlikely. but even though it is a possibility, its one that i wouldn’t even want to consider. We should use the number 2 pick unless it is the most ridiculous deal ever.
Hedman will be the most help right now. But like i said, if the Isles are dumb enough to pass Tavares at the first pick….. thank you very much. We’ll take another year or 2 to beef up our defensemen. Gonna take a heck of a lot more than Hedman to save us on the blue line anyways. :)
Though…i do have to say, out of all the interviews that came out from the top 3, i was impressed with Duchene the most.
by AustinxBolts on Jun 22, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Islanders take Hedman first overall, then I think the Lightning ought to trade down with Toronto. Burke is dying to get his hands on Tavares, and TB could get something out of that. As well as a top 10 pick even still.
What in the world would they do with yet another center? Put him at wing? If they want a wing, then they should draft one. Not take a top center out of his position and make him learn another.
You don’t take any talent just because you can. That’s what this whole last season was about with all of the trades – getting what they could when they could. And look where it got them. There has to be some kind of a plan, and the pieces all have to fit in order to make it all work.
Cassie
"And will that be cash, hip check, or Raw Charge today?"
by Cassie McClellan on Jun 22, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
















