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"East vs. West" is not the best -- NHL Re-Alignment

In 1967, with the expansion of the National Hockey League from the fabled Original Six to 12 teams, the league had to split divisions...  And the resulting alignment was in an east-west format. 

That split was done in the most thoughtless manner as the powers-that-be refused to break up the original six teams in their division while sticking all six new franchises into the new western division.  It was simple, it achieved their means, and it was a geographer's nightmare:

Eastern Division (1967-68)

Western Division (1967-68)

Boston Bruins

Los Angeles Kings

Chicago Blackhawks

Minnesota North Stars*

Detroit Red Wings

Oakland Seals*

Montreal Canadiens

Philadelphia Flyers

New York Rangers

Pittsburgh Penguins

Toronto Maple Leafs

St. Louis Blues

*denotes defunct/relocated franchise

The fact is that this messy, segregated alignment was an unfortunate precedent that has been carried into the present day with the NHL.  Though some of the age-old rivalries have been preserved for the sake of marketing and certain alignments are specifically to help cut down on travel...  Well, they fail at mixing in the new markets that are part of the league and fail at creating new rivalries between traditional and non-traditional markets.  They also continue to be a geographer's nightmare and don't do as bang-up a job as they think with cutting down on travel.  They reward the northeast and punish the south and west at the same time.

The east-west division split ended up turning into an east-west conference split as more teams were added.  The alignment of teams didn't always make sense...  But the status-quo ruled and traditionalists were happy.  In fact, the only thing that would make some people even more happy about the current segregated alignment of the NHL would be to bring back the "Wales" and "Campbell" conference names.

Yet, for the sake of growing the game, growing the league, and growing the sport - it'd be wiser to integrate a different alignment all together with all 30 teams effected.  The true optimal alignment wouldn't be the ultra-regionalism that you see at current (where the Eastern Conference is the eastern seaboard teams and the west is everything else) but two divisions that take up all three regions of the continent - east, central and west - much like in Major League Baseball and the National Football League.

Star-divide

Yes, the NHL has its traditions and the east-west format is one by-way of precedent...  But any "tradition" that originally stuck Philadelphia in a west division while Chicago was in the east is a tradition worth changing.

We're not here to play "what-if" on franchise locations, nor facilitate the dreams of fan boys who want teams relocated to every Canadian city with a population over a million.  This post is out to accomplish one thing:  Take the league as it currently stands and implement a better alignment.  The focus isn't about preserving rivalries, though some are preserved and others resurrected.  This is more about just having an alignment that makes sense.  Not a throw-it-together, bless-the-status-quo alignment that the National Hockey League has long since employed without thoughts on marketing or growth of the sport.

Step One:  Split the Six.

The optimal alignment is two cross-continent conferences, as was stated above.  Major League Baseball and the National Football League have it right with that, and it's the model to follow.  Instead of stressing regionalism in the east and trying like hell to even out the west, the point here is to post 15 teams per conference without divisional preferences to how long a team has been a part of the league or how long the city has been an NHL market.

But, to throw traditionalists a bone, I thought to start with the original six (Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Montreal, the Rangers, and Toronto).  Three of the Six will be in one conference, three in another.  This is how I started writing up the re-alignment and this is the why that compelled me to do it:  Detroit is not in the west.  This is part of the current alignment that drives me insane.

The Rangers are in the east, and that makes sense.  But Detroit and Toronto fall in the central division of Conference A.  In Conference B we have the Boston-Montreal rivalry maintained in the east while Chicago is in the central:

Conference A

East

Central

West

New York Rangers

Detroit Red Wings

Toronto Maple Leafs

Conference B

East

Central

West

Boston Bruins

Chicago Blackhawks

Montreal Canadiens

 

Step Two:  Release the East

The other major problem that stands out in the current alignment is that the Eastern Conference is hyper-regionalized.  You have points north (Boston, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Buffalo) stuck together in the Northeast Division; the next segment of the eastern seaboard also gets massed together (Rangers, Islanders, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh).  It causes the third massing with southern teams and here-in lies the problem of hyper-regionalism:  you don't integrate the new teams into the existing NHL fan base.  While hoping a rivalry is sparked between two southern teams...  Well, the southern teams are disregarded by the rest of the conference.  You hope to grow a region and fail to grow the league.

Another unfair aspect about that massing in the east is during the Stanley Cup playoffs each year.  An Atlantic division playoff series may take all of a bus-ride between arenas, same with the Northeast division.  That gives eastern teams an unfair advantage of being rested (as well as travel costs being lower) compared to the current Western Conference counterparts.

So the next step is to break up the existing Eastern Conference between Conferences A and B's east and central divisions:

Conference A

East

Central

West

New York Rangers

Detroit Red Wings

Ottawa Senators

Toronto Maple Leafs

Philadelphia Flyers

Tampa Bay Lightning

Carolina Hurricanes

Washington Capitals

Conference B

East

Central

West

Boston Bruins

Chicago Blackhawks

Montreal Canadiens

Buffalo Sabres

Florida Panthers

Atlanta Thrashers

New Jersey Devils

Pittsburgh Penguins

New York Islanders

 

The east divisions are finalized at this point.  The Conference A east compares directly with Major League Baseball's National League East (with Florida and Carolina swapped).  A comparison can't easily be drawn with Conference B's east, as it's a mash-up of Northeast, Atlantic and Southeast teams. 

Step Three:  Westward-Ho!

By this point we've covered 17 teams, with Detroit and Chicago being the lone teams from the existing Western Conference to be allotted to either new conference.  It's a lot easier at this point to try to allocate the rest of the teams:  Three more to central divisions and ten to the west.

This is also where it can get messy:  You want an alignment that is fair in comparison to the East being broken up, but also fair in that it doesn't add too much extra travel.  Sadly, this is the most unfair aspect of the Western Conference:  You're going to get screwed no matter who you get slotted with, thanks to the west being spread out.

Conference A

East

Central

West

New York Rangers

Detroit Red Wings

Anaheim Ducks

Ottawa Senators

Toronto Maple Leafs

Calgary Flames

Philadelphia Flyers

Tampa Bay Lightning

Dallas Stars

Carolina Hurricanes

Nashville Predators

Minnesota Wild

Washington Capitals

St. Louis Blues

Phoenix Coyotes

Conference B

East

Central

West

Boston Bruins

Chicago Blackhawks

Colorado Avalanche

Montreal Canadiens

Buffalo Sabres

Edmonton Oilers

Florida Panthers

Atlanta Thrashers

Los Angeles Kings

New Jersey Devils

Pittsburgh Penguins

San Jose Sharks

New York Islanders

Columbus Blue Jackets

Vancouver Canucks

 

Step Four: Complain, Complain, Complain

I don't expect anyone to be happy with this in the end.  The Tri-state rivalry of New York/New Jersey/Pennsylvania is laid to rest.  The Oilers and Flames are no longer in the same conference, nor are the Ottawa Senators and Montreal Canadiens.  Toronto and Ottawa are no longer in the same division but they still share a conference...  Tampa Bay and Florida have been split up (a weak rivalry if there ever was one) and the LA Basin teams are no longer rivals in the same conference.

And yet, that's part of what compelled me to do this.  Why does Ottawa give a care about Carolina as it stands right now?  Or Les Habs about the Florida Panthers?  Why should Toronto give a damn about Nashville or Tampa Bay?  The Blackhawks about the Thrashers?  Currently, they don't.  That's not a mutual truth, but from the outside looking in that's another blog post for another time...

There are a lot of why's to be asked.  I'll try to answer some of the more glaring ones that might stick out:

  •  Tampa Bay and Nashville together in the central-A?  Wouldn't Nashville have been better with the more-midwest Central-B? 

    Originally, I had it like that.  Columbus was in the Central-A and Tampa Bay was the lone Southern team in central-A.   Some of these teams can be flipped in singular instance like this (Tampa switched with Atlanta, or Columbus flipped with Nashville, etc)...
  • Tampa Bay is also in the central and not the east like in MLB, why?

    Balance.  If the Lightning were in the East-A or East-B, it throws off much of everything else.
  • Why didn't you restore the Norris in full by putting Chicago in the Central-A division?

    Because I wasn't out to restore the Norris Division.  Remember, the first step of this plan was to put three of the Original Six in each conference.  Switching Chicago and the Rangers would have thrown things off.
  • What's the reasoning for breaking up the Calgary-Edmonton rivalry?

    Not going to be popular but I wanted to maintain an equal spread with Canadian teams like I did with the Original Six:  Three per conference (much like it currently is set in the East - West alignment). 
  •  How the hell could you have put the Flyers and Devils in separate conferences?!

    Easy, you type "Philadelphia" in East-A and "New Jersey" in East-B.  This was one of the hyper-regional rivalries of the Tri-State area that had to be put down, much like Rangers-Devils and Rangers-Isles.  There are more teams in the league to play against and loath...  Same thing applies for Toronto-Montreal and Montreal-Ottawa:  the rivalry is always in front of you and blinders go up to the rest of the league. 
  • Phoenix?, WTF?

    They're still in Phoenix and still appropriately in the west.  Like I stated earlier, this is not a what-if alignment where teams are relocated in a fantasy scenario.  Sure, if the Coyotes were to move - it'd screw up this alignment one way or another.  But it depends on the "where" as well as the "if". 

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Um..

You just wasted however long it took to think up of this amazingly stupid idea. And you wasted the 3 minutes it took for me to get to you splitting up the Rangers, Devils, Islanders, and Flyers. Sorry, you’re nothing but a waste of time.

by DJ Wuss on Aug 18, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, thanks for the comment

…you’ve stepped up and marked yourself as example A of the point that some people are so thrilled with the status quo that they can’t take a lick of change.

Appreciate it.

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by John Fontana on Aug 18, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lay off the crack

I would argue that those in favor of the status quo are in the vast majority anyway. Rivalries have been brewing ever since, well, the start of the expansions. I agree that the addition of some of the expansion franchises have thrown things out of whack for the new franchises, but seniority and history SHOULD dictate; why in the world should we break up classic rivalries? I believe that you’re thinking too much like an expansion franchise and not giving enough weight to history. You can’t just create new rivalries overnight, as you seem to propose with your “more teams in the league to play against and loath” comment… it just doesn’t happen that way.

“it’d be wiser to integrate a different alignment all together with all 30 teams effected
I hate to be a grammar nazi… but on a professional blog?? Similarly, “loath” is not a verb, “loathe” is.

by Smellytoes on Aug 18, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Appreciate what? I’ve seen realignment ideas for every year for the past 20 and this is absolutely the worst. Why change things anyway? Why does everything need to be “fresh?” People who want to change things for the sake of changing them are the worst kind of idiots.

by DJ Wuss on Aug 18, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And if it were up to me, I’d go back to the Patrick, Norris, Adams, and Smythe divisions, have the top 4 from each get in, have division semis and finals, a conference final, and the Stanley Cup Final. And there wouldn’t be NHL teams in cities like Nashville, Phoenix, or Tampa Bay

by DJ Wuss on Aug 18, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Addresses none of the problems commonly cited with the status quo

Here’s thing. The most vaild complaints about the current alignment are.

Detroit and Columbus -Have to travel two or more time zones for half of their Western Conference Opponents. (this year in fact marked the rare occasion where they got to stay in the same time zone for the playoffs, because they played each other, you might have missed it if you blinked).

Dallas and Minnesota- Have no division opponents within the same time zone.

Anaheim with Minnesota and Calgary (separated by Edmonton). Toronto with Tampa? Istead of helping the complaints above, all you’ve accomplished is make it even worse for all the teams up in the name of fairness. This will never happen, even the idiots on the Board of Governors will never go for this.

The NHL could go to 4 divisions, put all of the Mountain and Pacific zone teams together. Put the five Central zone teams in with Detroit and Columbus (the two westernmost Eastern time teams) and then divide the other 15 teams in rest of the eastern time zone. This makes way more sense and would mean better ratings as there will be considerably fewer games that start at 9 or 9.30 local time for fans watching their team on West Coast road trips.

It doesn’t need to be as complicated as you make it, and it doesn’t need to be hurting the majority of teams equally instead of helping the few complaints.

by Justin J on Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow. A respectful and well thought out argument against. Thank you.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 18, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Put Atlanta in the Central along with Toronto. Have a North/South/Central/West format. Much simpler, easier, you keep the rivalries, (Toronto was in the division with Detroit and Chicago for years anyway), and you make people like the guy who wrote this article shut up for another 25 years.

by DJ Wuss on Aug 18, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I will say this for...

I appreciate the fact that you attempted to do something with the current 30 teams, instead of bringing in assumptions of contraction/relocation, etc…

by Justin J on Aug 18, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

travel is a huge issue

One of your arguments for this alignment is that the NFL and MLB do have similar alignments. Unfortunately, they don’t have the same travel requirements. NFL plays, what, a total of 18 games a season, so at most 9 flights to road games. MLB plays twice as many games as the NHL, but the play 3-4 games in a row at each road city, so they, too, have half as much travel as the NHL. And, both MLB and NFL teams have much deeper pockets than NHL teams

by v-squared on Aug 18, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Classic Rivalries" - Most have run their course

To Smellytoes: A rivalry means that each team has been competitive with the other, over time. Using the “Classic Rivalry” argument for automatically dismissing a smart realignment take is simply ridiculous. These “rivalries” are imagined! Let’s look at the Battle For Alberta as an example. Oilers vs. Flames – Edmonton certainly has the upper hand on Calgary. After all, the Oilers have won five Stanley Cups in seven appearances and Calgary only has one in three appearances. The two teams have faced each other in numerous playoff match-ups and Calgary has only won once when Edmonton defenseman, Steve Smith, had to score the winning goal into his own net in order for that to happen. Rivalries have less to do with regionalism and more to do with competitiveness and developed hatred for each other over a long period of success for both teams. How did the Detroit vs. Colorado rivalry start? Did anyone think that a Caps vs. Pens rivalry was in the future? Both these rivalries happened quickly due to competition not location or history. JPF realizes this and is attempting to solve a problem with a well thought out solution.

As far as being a grammar nazi…you don’t have to worry about ever being taken seriously as a scholastic genius when your posts contain well thought out visceral titles such as, “Lay off the crack.”

WB Philp

by LightningShout on Aug 18, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Classic Rivalries" - Most have run their course

To Smellytoes: A rivalry means that each team has been competitive with the other, over time. Using the “Classic Rivalry” argument for automatically dismissing a smart realignment take is simply ridiculous. These “rivalries” are imagined! Let’s look at the Battle For Alberta as an example. Oilers vs. Flames – Edmonton certainly has the upper hand on Calgary. After all, the Oilers have won five Stanley Cups in seven appearances and Calgary only has one in three appearances. The two teams have faced each other in numerous playoff match-ups and Calgary has only won once when Edmonton defenseman, Steve Smith, had to score the winning goal into his own net in order for that to happen. Rivalries have less to do with regionalism and more to do with competitiveness and developed hatred for each other over a long period of success for both teams. How did the Detroit vs. Colorado rivalry start? Did anyone think that a Caps vs. Pens rivalry was in the future? Both these rivalries happened quickly due to competition not location or history. JPF realizes this and is attempting to solve a problem with a well thought out solution.

As far as being a grammar nazi…you don’t have to worry about ever being taken seriously as a scholastic genius when your posts contain well thought out visceral titles such as, “Lay off the crack.”

WB Philp

by LightningShout on Aug 18, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Changing the conferences to build an East, Central and West division into each is a good idea on the surface, and would definitely help balance the travel disparity somewhat. Of course, that instantly means all 15 East Conference teams will vote against it, because they want (need) that advantage on the West.

However, there is no chance in hell that Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver support any plan that breaks them up. Ditto the entire Adams Division. Or Anaheim and Los Angeles.

The E-C-W format can be done without breaking up the key rivalries, however.

by Resolute on Aug 18, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Minnesota fans continue to get the shaft

Despite loyalty, passion and vetranship we again will get a major amouont of games out of our time zone…

I am so sick of the east always getting preferential treatment and we are just an after thought. Thats the way the media is too… I tell my kids that the number one rule in life… Life is not fair… lessons learned from a passionate fan

Whoa to the North Star fan

by Jesterphatt on Aug 19, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The thought you put into this is amazing John, well done. I just can’t see the league ever making this bold a change, breaking up the NY/NJ/Philly/Boston rivalries would not only be difficult from a National TV standpoint, but from a ticket standpoint. The Islanders and Devils, whether they will admit it or not, love having the building full when the Rangers Flyers or Bruins come calling. While you might be right, other rivalries can develop, it will take years to cultivate and make it marketable.

You definitely make some intriguing points, but the breakup of a 40 year rivarly is a tough sell.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 20, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Your idea has some good points and bad ones. I’ll start with the good.

The breaking up of the southeast. Worst division in hockey. Seems like every year there’s one stand-out team who’s doing about average, but thanks to the division schedules, is doing better then average in points, and guaranteed the playoff spot. It’s been getting tighter in recent years, but it’s still frustrating to see such tight playoff spot fights all over the league, and then look at the southeast in February and be able to pick the winner.

Leads to my second favorite thing I like about it : Canes in the Atlantic. Their fanbase really needs a reality-check, and that’ll provide a good one.

Breaking up the New York teams. Every other sport has both New York teams in seperate conferences. It makes sense. It also lets folks catch the occasional cross league team game if they’re so inclined. I know I’d travel up to New York to see the Canucks or the Sharks play.

Red Wings in the East. I just like it. There wasn’t a team that had that much pure skill on the east. It gives the East a chance to adapt, adjust, and generally pick up their game.

Things I don’t like.

The breaking up of the North East; “Just Cause”. You really need to spend a good deal of time up here before making such a foolish statement. The North East is the closest thing the states have to a Canadian attitude towards hockey. You’ve got so many fans in such a condensed area, that the rivalries become heated and passionate, Hockey becomes something you talk about with your UPS driver at work, cursing out the Devils for their horrid trap-d, or bumping into a buddy at the liquor store who gets all moist talking about Criesby.

It’s much easier for a Flyers and Devils fan to go to a Flyers-Devils game, then it is to convince one of the people to sit and watch a game he has no vested interest in. It also makes it alot more likely that the people will go to 2 games, the same series home-and-away. I know, I’ve done it several times with multiple friends.

This is an attitude that should be fostered, not tossed aside, both from a business standpoint, and for the love of the sport. Breaking up longstanding rivalries and closely-knit player fanbases is only going to hurt the league.

This, perhaps, would be more bearable, if it didn’t seem like you were breaking up the league to give the Lightning the most akward division i’ve yet to see. The Lightning with Toronto? Really? Why not put the Panthers in the same division as the Kings? It almost seems like a list of teams you’d most like to see more often.

The “West”

I have no idea why, Honestly, I don’t, but the Flyers and Canucks have developed a bitter rivalry (If you could even call it that). Every time they play, there’s fights, hard hits, every other whistle the two groups congregate to exchange well intentioned remarks. Now, there’s no way to expect you to know this. It’s one of those things you’d only catch if you followed a particular team very closely. But that’s just the thing, you might know more about different teams in the league more then the average Lightning or Flyers fan. I’ll go ahead and say you probably know more about the League then I do, but if you don’t know enough to see the odd rivalry like that, I don’t think you know enough to properly seed the western teams with their eastern counterparts.

by BroadStreetBully on Aug 20, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yea, lay off the crack

you’re an idiot. what decides the conferences? who plays in the all star game? n.a vs the word??? that was another crackhead idea

by Unholyguy on Aug 20, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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