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Alex Tanguay compared to Vinny Prospal

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There's been a memo going around in comments on some of the local newspaper websites and on at least one of the fellow Boltosphere sites, comparing Alex Tanguay and Vaclav Prospal directly. People are looking rather shallow-like at the stats and saying "the players are exactly the same, this is a waste!"

Lemme cite Bolts by the Bay and one of their two qualms regarding the Lightning off-season as an example of this. I don't do it to spread ill will between Bolt blogs (just the opposite, check out Bolts by the Bay for a different perspective on the team) but illustrate the sentiment against the move:

The Vinny Prospal contract buyout bothers me. Why not try and trade him? And why buy him out to go after someone with a bigger name, but very, very similar numbers in Alex Tanguay. The argument here for Tanguay will be that he had/has the potential to score more points then Vinny did, but his numbers have steadily decreased year by year. 80 point seasons are great, but this isn’t 2006 anymore. Tanguay is younger than Vinny, but we all know that in hockey 34 isn’t really that old! Look at Mark Recchi. The guy will be 42 this season, and he had 60 points last year! Apparently Vinny Lecavalier, and Marty St. Louis pushed hard for the signing of Tanguay so i’m sure they know something that I don’t (besides how to be rich, and play hockey really well, and speak french) The reports on the deal say it’s for one year, so at least if things don’t work out, we wont get hung with his hefty contract. Probably a good thing since we are still paying off that Prospal buyout.

"...but very, very similar numbers"?

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Let's start with the five year age differential that was noted. That means Alex Tanguay has put up in nine seasons and 659 games in the NHL, comparable numbers to what Prospal has put up in 12 seasons and 874 games.

That's 215 more games, two-and-a-half seasons worth.

If it hasn't clicked yet, my point here is productivity and point ratio. Tanguay has been more productive (580 points and a .880 point-per-game ratio) in less time than Prospal (599 points, a .685 point-per-game ratio).  You can  make excuses why either players point totals are where they are (where they played, who they played with, situational stuff, etc), or dismiss it entirely because it's all-of two-tenths of a point difference,  but the fact remains that Tanguay has a scoring advantage over Vinny20.

There's also a matter of Prospal having horrible statistics on the penalty kill and defensive situations. His career plus-minus is -61 -- meaning he's been on-ice for more goals scored against his team than for goals scored by his own team. His seasonal average is near -7 and he was -20 last season alone.

In comparison, Alex Tanguay is +157 (an average of +17 per season) and was +13 last season in 50 games with the Montreal Canadiens.

For a team like the Bolts that struggled greatly in one-goal game situations last season, having a weak link defensively is asking for trouble.  Having another top-line forward that is strong at both ends is much more valuable to this team.

An argument for keeping Prospal instead of signing Tanguay is the fact Vaclav is to be paid for more seasons to come with thanks to the buyout.  Tanguay's contract is on top of that.   Why not just keep the offense of Prospal's for as much of the season as possible (overlooking the defensive liability) and try to deal him later on?

The problem with that is Prospal had a no-trade clause which he declined to waive. That (adding the no-trade clause) was a mistake made when negotiating his contract last off-season. There was no way to move the guy who did not want to be moved (unless team management wanted to threaten him a-la Dan Boyle).  That's why he wasn't involved in a salary-dump trade and was instead bought-out.

And even if he had waived his no-trade clause, how do you suppose people will react when a deal is announced that Prospal was traded to a team for next-to-nothing? 

He was a fan favorite, that's understood... But he wasn't the strongest cog on ice. He made his contributions but he shouldn't be played up as one of the marquee wings in the game, responsible everywhere with no liabilities.

Tanguay's liability is that he doesn't shoot the puck (though his career shot percentage is over 19%) which can get insanely frustrating.  He's a passer, a strong skater and responsible at both ends. We've already dealt with that before, Lightning fans, in Freddie Modin. That didn't exactly hurt, did it?

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Something tells me he and VL will line again before Prospals career is through. He will redeem himself with New York, I think he got cut loose too early and for his numbers yeah not so great but who was great last year. Having said that his yearly salary was definitely too high and should be around where Tanguays is at for the 3 years we had him on paper for.

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by Dustin Keene on Sep 4, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

problem is...

That minus stat and “defensive liability” labeling? That wasn’t a one-season thing. Prospal has never been above a plus seven (and never known as a strong skater) while Tanguay has never been a minus player.

Prospal has a chip on his shoulder, John Tortorella has said as much… and he wants to prove himself… So having a good season isn’t something he doesn’t plan on having… but after that? Really, it’s double-nothing. If Vinny’s dutch-door action on seasonal production holds up, he’ll be worthless in 2010-11 while Tanguay will be elsewhere, getting the payday he earned in TB.

The players aren’t comparable… I think the better comparison would be Cory Stillman to Tanguay… because both players replaced Prospal.

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by John Fontana on Sep 4, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

here here

i was saying this since they traded prospal. i said once we sign Alex T. everyone will stop their whining, but they did not. i kind of lost fate in our Fans hockey entelligence. last year stats summed it up completely 50 games Tanguay 82 games Prospal same points. One thing that bothered me on the posts was that Pospal’s heart is a big lose. thats a big fat joke. where was his heart 60 of the games. then his celebarations after scoring a goal that meant nothing at the time and going aka Martin Gramatica on the ice, was too me no heart at all. have you seen MSL ever once do the same. he is the heart and soul of this team not VP. i am counting down the seconds til this team gets to play together, i dont even care if they dont make the playoffs as long as this team plays hard and has a upside, which i no doubt beleive they will do.

by smitty82 on Sep 5, 2009 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

prospal got signed by the coach that dissed him

whats funny is Torts ripped him at one of the Fan Fest questionnaire a couple of years back saying he was a lazy *. i also heard on one of the trips last year in pitts. talking to the team staff saying vinny p never liked to doing causes around the city signing stuff for kids in less money was involved. that sums it all up to me. alex tanguay is a 100000 times better then prospal who will be in russian league by next year

by smitty82 on Sep 5, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, it's hearsay about causes

lets not get into that. He loved it enough in the area not to want to be traded and to play for this team three times. He’s loved enough by the fans… But your earlier comment summarizes it greatly: That VP’s celebrations aren’t what show sthe teams heart. They show his emotion and… that’s about it. Marty, on the other hand?

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by John Fontana on Sep 5, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Prospal isn’t bad, Tanguay is better. Period end of story. Anyone who plays with Lecavalier or St. Louis is going to look good lol.

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by Dustin Keene on Sep 5, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

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