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The Lightning have no room for Ilya Kovalchuk

As the trade deadline edges closer, the Atlanta Thrashers have to make a decision on keeping Ilya Kovalchuk (17) or trading him.  Raw Charge asks Lightning fans just what would you give for Kovalchuk?  Or does he even work for the Bolts?  (AP Photo/Frank Franklin II)

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As the trade deadline edges closer, the Atlanta Thrashers have to make a decision on keeping Ilya Kovalchuk (17) or trading him. Raw Charge asks Lightning fans just what would you give for Kovalchuk? Or does he even work for the Bolts? (AP Photo/Frank Franklin II)

SB Nation's Atlanta Thrashers blog, our friends at Bird Watchers Anonymous, is putting together a post about the future of Ilya Kovalchuk in Atlanta... And what other teams might offer for the services of Kovy and first-signing-chance rights to him before July 1st.  

There were some ground rules on trade proposals in order to quell those who want to make massive 15-player deals with multiple players from each team changing hands.  Matthew Gunning, head writer at Bird Watchers Anonymous, lays it out exactly what you'd be trading for:

I'm offering 1) only Kovalchuk, 2) for extend of current contract and 3) first right to extend him before July 1st UFA kicks in. That's it, no "sign and trade" offers please!

OK, that's a good starting point...  And the Thrashers needs?

  • GM will want a roster player and a quality prospect(s)
  • Conditional 1st rounder(s) if Kovalchuk re-signs with your club.
  • No goalies needed (team has three already)
  • Not looking for over 33 guys or bloated contracts (sorry no Campbell or Huet)

You have a pretty sound idea of the parameters.  This is not some official memo that's gone out from Don Waddell or something.  This is just fun -- fantasy but with ground rules, if you will. 

The problem is, that even when contemplating Lightning offers for Ilya Kovalchuk - as a rent-a-player or in the scenario the Lightning actually acquired him and inked him to a deal - he just does not fit in the current state of the Tampa Bay Lightning franchise.

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What many of us - in comments on Raw Charge, in private discussions, and in fan conversations elsewhere on the web - have already concluded with regards to the Lightning is thus :  under the current style of coaching being employed by the team, scoring is not as important as grinding.  Shots and deftness take a back seat for grit and dog-the-puck mentality.  While defensive forwards and agitators contribute strongly under this system, finesse players suffer by being asked to be more like the grinders, more like the gritty guys who are camped out in the crease.

That is not a system that embraces the likes of Martin St. Louis, Vincent Lecavalier or Alex Tanguay.  We've seen that in their goal production being obliterated. 

And just what happens if Rick Tocchet has Ilya Kovalchuk under this system?  While the idea was that Tanguay paired with Lecavalier would boost both players numbers, it's been the opposite...  And that's exactly what we'd expect with Kovalchuk brought in to Tampa Bay.

He doesn't fit. 

It's not a case of not admiring the player, or wanting that type of skill playing on the team.  It's a case of seeing how the team is being coached and what's being requested of everyone involved.  It'd be a waste of money and assets (and a setback to the franchise) to try to bring in someone of Kovalchuk's caliber and then ask him to be a slot-and-crease grit player and not a dynamic scoring wing.

Still, just what would you offer for Kovalchuk?  You're Lightning GM and you've got the parameters that the opposing GM have laid out.  Of course, you can negotiate on this and there is bound to be some give and take...  But think of this in plausibility as well as fantasy.  Other teams are in on this (check out Blueshirt Banter and Litter Box Cats for just two of the other hockey blogs asking their communities what they'd do) so you gotta lay out your best cards in a deal for Kovy.

Would you do it?  Would you make a push to acquire Kovalchuk or would you come to the same conclusion, that he doesn't work in Tampa?  And just what do you offer?  The Lightning's young offensive prospects still in juniors and abroad?  A hefty helping of the Bolts defense, which is loaded with the big club and in the minors as well? 

What do you do?  Let us know in the comments.  I'd personally say it doesn't work and would not even get into trade discussions, but there's an argument to be made for it.  Let us all know just what that argument is.

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Firstly, I can’t see the Thrash trading him within the division – as unlikely as it is he’d re-sign with us, there’s still the risk he might which would hurt them longer term. Secondly, as you pointed out John, what do we have to gain out of such a trade? We’re too inconsistent to make the playoffs, so we’d trade for him with the intention of signing him… even though he’s pretty much come out and said if he’s not re-signing with Atlanta he’ll test Free Agency.

That said, if I were the Bolts GM (what do you mean I’m not?)…

I’d be surprised if a first rounder wouldn’t be a requirement – the Brian Campbell and Marian Hossa deals all featured first rounders (and even the Vermette and Leopold deals last season had a second) and out of the three, Kovalchuk is by far the better player.
→ First reason why I’d backout.

Moving on to roster player:
They’re pretty young on D, but with some experienced players (Kubina, Hainsey, Schubert) so can’t see what we could offer them from the blueline, which leaves forwards. Obviously needs to be top 6, which would likely mean a winger (I wouldn’t consider Peverley a top 6 center, but I’d say they’re set with Antropov and Peverley) and so not really our forte. Obvious candidates would be Downie and Tanguay, but I’m not entirely sure if they would be valuable enough – Downie’s reputation still seems to precede him (no matter how much he’s continually improving his game) and Tanguay’s probably worth a couple of water bottles. Filled if you ask nicely. I also keep seeing Malone’s name when thinking about who to offer, but we’d be losing one of the few (only?) players who likes to hang out in front of the opposition goalie (and might fall on the “bloated contract” clause, though I’d say $4.5m is pretty reasonable).
→ I’d offer Tanguay in a heartbeat, but his value is pretty low – we’d need to up another part of the deal.
Prospect wise, I wouldn’t have a clue, but I’m sure there’s somebody they’d be interested in. As stated above, their D is pretty young, so I’d imagine they’d probably go for a forward, along the lines of Hutchings? Maybe if they were interested in D, they might be tempted by Mihalik, but is he perhaps too similar to Valabik? (No prizes for guessing where that info was preened… thanks for the earlier post John!)
→ I’d be sad to see Mihalik, but our D is looking pretty good so think he’d be replacable… but not likely of interest to the Thrashers. Hutchings might be more of a need to us, but this is entirely guesswork.

by taiter42 on Jan 11, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I know this has nothing to do with Kovalchuk

but it got me thinking. What about trading Alex Tanguay and a draft pick or two, to Columbus for Antoine Vermette?

by KyleGuthrie4 on Jan 11, 2010 6:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

For another thread at another time, Kyle

It’s an SB Nation thing right now on Kovalchuk… a number of hockey blogs are playing along

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by John Fontana on Jan 11, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If I had to put together an offer for Kovy

To Tampa Bay:
Ilya Kovalchuk

to Atlanta:
Andrej Meszaros
Lukas Krajicek
Vladmir Mihalik
Ryan Malone
3rd rounder in 2010
conditional 1st rounder in 2011

This is “if I HAD to” more than I want to. I told you in the post that Ilya does not fit in TB. But in the scenario where the entire Lightning was in a different direction with how the offense was put together compared to the grind-and-grit system in place now, I’d willingly make a push for him.

But to push for him means you have to clear cap room and Malone’s gritty style and Meszaros contract are both sacrificial lambs to get this done.

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by John Fontana on Jan 12, 2010 12:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

Any scenario linking Kovalchuk and the Bolts is not within the realm of anything in this universe for an incalculable number of reasons. Must be a slow news day.

by Gobaby on Jan 12, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Thrashers blog, Bird Watcher’s Anonymous, wanted to see what other hockey blogs around SB Nation would offer for Kovalchuk. Not so much a slow news day as it is all of us getting together and having a little fun. This is in no way a serious exercise.

Raw Charge, an SBN Tampa Bay Lightning community. Calling shotgun in the clown car.

by Cassie McClellan on Jan 12, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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