Off-Topic / NHL Rule Question
(Firstly, sorry if posting in the wrong place....)
Just quickly after clarification on a rule that's been bugging me for ages (and something I don't see often enough to remember, and so clarify) - coincidental minors... there are times when it results in a change in the on-ice numbers, and others when it doesn't change anything.
NHL.com's rule page makes it about as clear as mud water, and from what I can understand, it results in a reduction of on-ice numbers unless there are one or more penalties still on the clock?
So..... is that:
a) Right?
b) Include misconduct / fighting penalties that do not affect the team?
Not only have I worried for ages, but I'm trying to parse NHL.com's play-by-play data for my own statistical analysis, but the reports aren't quite right so I'm having to calculate the PP times manually :(
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Can you clarify the question Taiter? It was confusing how you presented it.
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by John Fontana on Feb 4, 2010 12:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sure
Like most things, it made sense in my head!!
When there are coincidental penalties, what factors go in to deciding if it affects man power on the ice? For instance, the handbags between Downs and Ovie the other week resulted in a 2 each for Roughing and a 4-on-4. However, after a scuffle between the Fridge, Veilleux, Kovalchuk and Popovic in the first game of the season, they each got 2 minutes and the game resumed 5-on-5.
I’m sure in the second scenario it’s because there’s multiple players involved, but I’ve seen other times (that I can’t yet find to illustrate or explain) when there’s only been two players and the game resumes 5-on-5.
Hope that helps!
(And also sorry for the lack of clarity – it’s a rule that confuses me muchly, and I’d spent ages trying to decipher the rule book!)
I should be sound asleep... but it's more fun to watch the Hockey!
by taiter42 on Feb 4, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
When one minor penalty is assessed to one player or goalkeeper of each team at the same stoppage in play, these penalties will be served without substitution provided there are no other penalties in effect and visible on the penalty clocks. Both teams will therefore play four skaters against four skaters for the duration of the minor penalties.
19.5 Applying the Coincidental Penalty Rule – When multiple penalties are assessed to both teams at the same stoppage of play, the following rules are to be utilized by the Referees to determine the on-ice strength for both teams:
(i) Cancel as many major and/or match penalties as possible
(ii) Cancel as many minor, bench minor and or double-minor penalties as possible
Refer to Reference Tables – Table 17 – Coincidental Penalties.
The Chart can be found here. http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26556
So, when one player from each team gets one minor penalty (ex tripping and a dive, or each were called for roughing) they play 4 on 4.
For a major penalty such as fighting (example 9 on the chart) they play 5 on 5.
When there are multiple players/penalties involved they follow the chart.
It is my understanding that “coincidental” just means that the penalties were called on the same stoppage of play. What I think you are describing is what many refer to as “offsetting” penalties. This occurs when multiple penalties are given to each team without giving either team a man advantage.
I hope this helps to clear things up for you.
by stormshadow on Feb 6, 2010 6:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
Thanks mate!
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by taiter42 on Feb 8, 2010 10:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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