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2010 Vancouver Olympic Hockey: Canada wins gold, the US silver, Finland bronze

Marie-Philip Poulin, 18 years old (the drinking age in British Columbia is 19), with a can of Molson Canadian beer and gold medal in hand. Poulin scored both goals in Canada's 2-0 win over the United States. Hello world - welcome to Canada!
[Picture tweeted by Greg Wyshynski, 25 February 2010.]

Marie-Philip Poulin, 18 years old (the drinking age in British Columbia is 19), with a can of Molson Canadian beer and gold medal in hand. Poulin scored both goals in Canada's 2-0 win over the United States. Hello world - welcome to Canada! [Picture tweeted by Greg Wyshynski, 25 February 2010.]

The United States lost the gold medal  game to Canada 2-0.

Canada deserved this win. The US came out flat and just weren’t able to put the puck in the net. The Canadian goaltender was a wall, though, which didn’t help matters any. Still, the US squandered two 5-on-3 power play chances to at least help them tie up the game.

In the third period, the lone referee pretty much put their whistle in their pocket and let them go. While there was no obvious checking going on, there was a lot of physical play. It was almost indistinguishable from a men’s game at that point.

The final women's ice hockey standings for the 2010 Vancouver Olympics: Canada wins gold, US silver, and Finland beat Sweden for the bronze.

While there is no doubt that Canada deserved to win the gold medal during this game, let’s talk about the team’s conduct. There has been a lot of discussion about how the Canadian women conducted themselves after the game. And it wasn't very pretty. To the point that they may be punished for it by the International Olympic Committee (IOC).

Say what you want about Team Canada’s women’s hockey team, but the one thing they definitely lacked is respect.

All you have to do is look at how they started the tournament and how they ended it. Neither were good. And neither were respectful.

Star-divide

They started the Olympics beating Slovakia 18-0. There was no reason for running up the score like that. And there was no reason to celebrate each and every goal like it was the first. That was a completely disrespectful to the game of hockey as well as to their opponents.

There is zero legitimate justification for doing something like that. I heard three arguments made for running up the score, and they all came from Canadians. And I completely disagree with all of them.

The first argument was that goal differential is used to break ties, which is true. Okay, I get that. If the US and Canada were tied in the standings, whoever scored the most goals gets seeded first. So while that does justify a high score, it does not justify 18 goals worth.

The second argument was that letting up created bad habits. I’m sorry? Holding back and working on passing or trying to work on setting up plays instead of shooting and scoring creates bad habits? Since when? It’s much easier to play sloppy when you can score at will than it is when you’re trying to hold back.

The last argument was that no one should feel bad for Slovakia since they got into the tournament by beating Bulgaria 82-0. (Yes, that’s 82-0; the ultimate in running up the score in a hockey game.) So basically, the argument goes, what goes around comes around. Uh huh. Better watch your backs then, Canadians, if that’s true. That still doesn’t justify the lack of respect due to your opponent – no matter who they may be.

How the Canadians’ women’s hockey team finished the tournament was also very disrespectful. Not just to their opponents and to the Olympics, but mostly to their own country. After the game was over, they’d received their medals, the other teams had packed up, and the crowd (but not the media) had gone home, the Canadian women’s hockey team loitered on the ice drinking alcohol and smoking cigars – as the international media watched and took pictures.

You know, I don’t care what you do in private. Strip naked and run screaming down the street with only your gold medal on, it doesn’t matter to me. But to still be in uniform with your country’s national crest on the front and to still be in an Olympic venue on the actual field of competition while drinking is just wrong. Not just wrong, but completely disrespectful to the nation that you’re representing.

Yeah, they won the Olympic gold medal on their home ice in their home country. But that doesn’t justify publicly acting like a jerk. People might find it funny and harmless, but these ladies (and I use the term loosely) are representing ALL OF CANADA. Do Canadians really want to be known as cigar smoking, beer swilling poor winners? Because we Americans are known for that in some quarters, and it makes quite a few of us uncomfortable – and we’re used to the world hating us.

This isn’t just about how these women represent their country to their country. This is an image that the rest of the world will now carry with them. Canadian women act like crass, ill-mannered, spoiled college frat boys after winning games. That's what the world saw. Gone is the image of the overly polite Canadian.

Well, there you go. Now you have something to be proud of other than hockey, Canada. Congratulations. You are officially one step closer to being better at something than Americans.

You know, I'm not even going to touch the underage drinking in public part of it.

Obviously, this kind of behavior starts with the coach and works its way down. The fact that the Canadian women’s team coach allowed this sort of thing to go on is just incredible. Not many American coaches would.

If the Canadian women had taken their celebration into the dressing room, it wouldn’t have been a big deal. Then they’d be doing what championship men’s teams have been doing all along – which was expected, frankly. But staying on the ice and staying in their national team uniforms while acting that way in front of the media made this completely disrespectful to the entire nation.

Guess they'd never heard the phrase "the name on the front of your jersey is more important than the name on the back"?

If the American women had acted that way, I would be just as appalled and disgusted. It’s not the fact that they’re Canadians that I’m ranting about this, but simply the lack of respect. It’s not a gender thing, or a national thing, or even a sport thing; it’s a human thing. Everyone deserves simple and basic respect – at least, until they prove they're not worthy of it.

...And people wonder at the lack of respect in the NHL....

Again, this is not sour grapes because the American women lost the game. They deserved to get the silver. The Canadian women were the better team and they earned that gold medal. However, winning an Olympic gold medal doesn’t make a person a good human being.

The United State men’s hockey team hopefully watched that game and took it to heart. The American women could’ve won it, but they didn’t. Don’t let the same thing happen to you, boys.

The US men play Finland at 3 pm Eastern today in the quarterfinals, while the Canadian men play Slovakia at 7:30 pm Eastern.

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2010 Vancouver Olympic Hockey: Canada wins gold, the US silver, Finland bronze

Wow, what a mouthfull!! Some of the biggest disrespect came right out of this authors mouth!! Maybe it would have been more acceptable if the women had faught and gotten blood all over the “uniform” or perhaps even tear it to shreds while fighting???

by Melanie MacDonald on Feb 26, 2010 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

After thought.....

“Do Canadians really want to be known as cigar smoking, beer swilling poor winners?Because we Americans are known for that in some quarters, and it makes quite a few of us uncomfortable – and we’re used to the world hating us.”

Is it any wonder you wear these lables???

by Melanie MacDonald on Feb 26, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Feel better? Glad I’m not the only one here ranting and raving.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Running up the score

I believe it’s more insulting to not play your best in an official game. You must have lost respect for Shaun White when he had gold in his pocket after his first run but ended up doing an over the top second run. He probably should have just done a token slide up and down, right? Gimme a break. These girls did not insult or disrespect their country. They celebrated all their hard work – hardly a raunchy party, destroying things! You’ve lost my respect for your narrow view and sour grapes (that you claim you don’t have).

by kittakat on Feb 26, 2010 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

I have no problem with them celebrating, or the manner in which they celebrated – they earned that gold, and they should enjoy it. My problem is that it was done in public.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Shawn White?

I noticed you completely skipped over that part of the original post. Was Shawn White being disrespectful when he really went for it on his second run? After all he had the gold medal locked up; he could have walked down the middle of the half-pipe and still won. So was it disrespectful of him to try and do his best on his second run or not? Why or why not?

by Savannah C on Feb 26, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I skipped over it because it’s an entirely different situation and one that I didn’t watch. You’re talking about a judged event, not an unjudged one. I also lacked the pertinent information to make an educated reply. Was he the last one to do his run? Was he first? Was he somewhere in the middle? I have no idea.

Where he was in the schedule of who went when makes a big difference. Not to mention that I have no clue about his closest competitors and when they did their runs or even how they scored. And I haven’t had time to do any research on any of that, either.

So the short answer to your question is: I don’t know.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Shawn White was the last snowboarder in the half-pipe competition. There was the field, and then there was White – in a class of his own. Unbelievably talented, absolutely fearless, and so far ahead in points by the end of the first runs it was virtually impossible to beat him. When it came to his second run he was so far ahead he’d already won the gold, having stomped his opponents by miles. He could have walked down in his boots waving his board to the crowd and still won the event. But he really went for it in the second run, bigger air, crazier tricks and a higher score.

So was that cool or disrespectful?

by Savannah C on Feb 26, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

In that instance, where White was last and he’d locked up the gold on his first pass, then I think he should’ve walked away from the second attempt.

I’m sure he did it anyways to showboat for his fans – to give the crowd a show. And that’s the difference between a judged individual event and a non-judged team event. Individuals can go out and give their fans a show if the opportunity allows them to. So I’m not sure if that was wrong or not, simply because it’s an entirely different situation and dynamic, but the classier move would’ve been to walk away once the medal was locked up.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly from your comments I can’t believe you were ever a competitive athlete. Regardless of whether it’s an individual or team sport, the sheer act competing requires that you do your best each and every time you compete. It’s unreasonable to expect otherwise. You always try and do better than the last time; sponsors insist on it and fans demand you continually give them more. And yet you think the biggest star in the sport should have walked away rather that try and beat his best?? When have you EVER seen that happen? SMH.

Judged or non-judged event, individuals and teams can both go out and give the fans a show if opportunity allows.

by Savannah C on Feb 26, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

So the end justifies the means, is that it?

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

ask anyone in competitive sports

by Savannah C on Feb 26, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

So you don’t believe in sportsmanship then.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

your definition of sportsmanship seems to involve laying down and not competing if you’re better than everyone else. No athlete would support ever that approach.

by Savannah C on Feb 26, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. What a call on someone you don’t even know.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

What are you talking about? You are the one who said Canada should have slacked off and not played their game rather than running up the score. If that’s not laying down and not competing I don’t know what is.

Oh and feel free to name an athlete – any athlete – that would support slacking off because they were better than the field.

by Savannah C on Feb 26, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said that Canada should’ve slacked off. I just said that they could’ve worked on other things and cut back on the scoring. There’s a difference. It’s a change of focus, not slacking off. It’s no different than changing up from the passing game to the running game if a team’s dominating in passing offense.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

the whole point of the game is to score – to do anything less that try is slacking off. Otherwise it’s practice.

by Savannah C on Feb 26, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

And that’s the difference between you and I – I see a game as being so much more than that.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

well then you don’t understand competitive sport, and probably shouldn’t be writing about it.

by Savannah C on Feb 26, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for your time and effort then.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Done in public

By public you mean the media were there….the fans were already gone. I saw you make that distinction but wish to restate that.

They were called out for some photos, still ‘high’ on their climatic win. Some Champagne and cigars were handed out and they, admittedly, got caught up in the moment. Big deal. They responded and apologized immediately. If people can’t appreciate a showing of, AND admitting of, human error…well, it says more about them then it does about who they are pointing fingers at.

by kittakat on Feb 26, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, the media was there, but remember that it’s their job to make things public.

So…you’re saying that as long as something is done in the name of celebration, that automatically makes it right. Correct? No matter what happens? Regardless of laws or rules?

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not arguing what’s right or wrong….you are. I’m stating that your perspective with statements of “completely disrespectful to the entire nation.” " act like crass, ill-mannered, spoiled college frat boys" Or, “winning an Olympic gold medal doesn’t make a person a good human being.” (implying they are not good human beings), etc. etc. etc. etc. is extreme. Laws, rules…..they CELEBRATED on the ice rink. Then apologized.

Again, big deal.

by kittakat on Feb 26, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

Perhaps my choice of words was a bit strong in retrospect, as I was ranting at the time, but I still stand by them.

Seriously, tho, opinions are like…noses – everyone has one. Out of the hundreds of people that have stumbled over this post, you are one of two people who felt strongly enough about it to make a comment. And the fact that you don’t see it as a big deal heavily suggests that you don’t think it wasn’t wrong. Which is fine.

All I’m saying is that when I was an athlete (not an Olympic athlete, just the garden-variety high school / college intramural / rec league sort) that I’d had it pounded into my head that I was supposed to conduct myself in a certain way at any time I was doing something related to the team. These women did not conform to what I was taught by my various coaches along the way. So, obviously, I felt that what they did was wrong.

But, apparently, I’m one of a very small minority of people who believe so. The overwhelming majority of people seem to believe as you do that if there’s no harm, there’s no foul. I’m not going to speculate as to what that means, it’s just simply a fact.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

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‘Perhaps my choice of words was a bit strong in retrospect’.

You mean you let your emotions get the better of you in a PUBLIC rant?

Pots and kettles. Except, the pot apologized.

by kittakat on Feb 26, 2010 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

Team Canada apologized for what they did because they knew what they did was inappropriate. I’m just voicing my opinion. I don’t need to apologize for that.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Never said you did. Hence my initial statement stands.

by kittakat on Feb 26, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree. I think you’re stretching with that analogy, frankly. But, to each their own.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way, thank you for taking the time to share your opinion and being respectful in disagreeing with me. I realize that that’s a hard thing to do with such an emotional issue. I appreciate that.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Typical sore-loser rant coming from a pouty little boy.

You’d NEVER read trash like this from a Canadian author. Canadians don’t make a habit of slandering anyone ( let alone Olympic athletes) as a rule. What a unique American trait you seem to have developed.

Maybe you should watch this to improve your view about things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYoTJItSPt0

by ZanaDi on Feb 26, 2010 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

oops

..oh gawd.. you’re not a boy. Even worse.
Shame on you.

by ZanaDi on Feb 26, 2010 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

Oh wow. How can I be a sore loser when I’ve said that Canada earned that gold medal? That Canada was the better team? That the US didn’t play very well?

Oh, and I’ve read plenty of Canadians speaking disparagingly of Americans in major Canadian newspapers. Just like you did right there about me. Funny how that works, isn’t it?

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

What a bs write up.

They did nothing wrong and there apology was for people like you who have a pickle up there you know what.

Heres what one of the reporters who was there wrote just after it happened.
“This is the dumbest story of the Olympics.

As anyone who read my post below knows, I thought it was kind of a neat moment, players who may never have an experience like this again in their lives drinking it all in. And if they drank a little beer and champagne along the way, so be it. I mean, who knew hockey players might drink beer after winning a big event? (And is this the same IOC that sanctions the selling of alcohol at all of its venues, making God knows how much along the way?)

A dozen or so players came out with a few beers, a couple bottles, a stogie or two, hung around on the ice for a little while, took a lot of pictures. One of them drove the ice-resurfacing machine around for a minute or two. I’ve seen more lawless activity at my local library.

And as for the "public’’ that saw this drinking, it pretty much consisted of me and about 25 or so other reporters and a few VANOC employees. Not sure we even qualified as a quorum, let alone a "public.’’
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by TroyK on Feb 26, 2010 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

Do you have a source for that? I’d like to read it first hand.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You do know

that you can put a sentence in google and it will return the source for you.
I’ll save you the 5 seconds it would have taken you.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/talkofthegames/

here is his post just before he heard people were making a big deal out of it; pictures included
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/talkofthegames/2011190924_team_canada_revels_in_its_win.html
" "

and heres a female reporters take on it who was actually there
“VANCOUVER, B.C. – As I sat at Canada Hockey Place writing about Canada’s 2-0 gold-medal victory over the U.S. in women’s hockey Thursday, Canadian team members quietly returned to the rink, still in uniform, with cans and a magnum of Canadian beer.

It was no raucous party. They posed for photos with their medals, honked the horn of a stopped Zamboni and generally set a world record for contentment. But yes, they had alcohol and, later, a few cigars.

It was my favorite kind of athletic moment: the culmination of an enormous task, celebrated with personality. The women’s joy was palpable, and I turned to a friend on press row and said, "I love this sport."
"
http://www.oregonlive.com/olympics/index.ssf/2010/02/winter_olympics_opinion_canada.html

by TroyK on Feb 26, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I know. But I wanted the exact article you were looking at. How can I tell that from a Google search? Thanks for the links.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

put the first paragraph in google and it returns the source as the first link. Same with the sentence.

by TroyK on Feb 26, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I realize that, too. But hey, it’s been a very long day, and people have been bashing me over this post for most of it. I’m sure that most people believe I’m depriving a nice village of my presence. Thinking outside of the box is a bit out of my grasp right now, so I definitely appreciate any help that I can get. :o)

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

my goodness

Give these gals a break! they won gold ~ good & clean. Perhaps it was not the best judgement to have this personal team celebration documented. The author of the Raw Charge post and the associated negative comments are just reflective of some very poor losers.

by AmazingRN on Feb 26, 2010 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry for sharing my honest opinion. And I’m sorry that you didn’t spend the time to read my post or the ensuing comments since you apparently believe that I am a sore loser. But thank you for sharing your opinion and for stopping by.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

you wanna talk disrespect???

I won’t comment on the b.s. about the high scoring game (USA won games 12-1 and 13-0… why didn’t they stop at, oh, lets say 8 or 9???). But I will comment on a word that was brought up several times… disrespect. The ultimate form of disrespect and general disgusting behaviour would have to be putting your opponent’s flag on your dressing room floor and stomping on it. The American women’s hockey team of ’02 should appear in the dictionary beside the word disrespectful. But the better team came out on top there as well.

by Canuck2010 on Feb 26, 2010 7:30 PM EST reply actions  

I completely agree with you. I was absolutely appalled by that behavior when I’d read about it. That was definitely wrong.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Almost not sure where to begin

I would beg to differ with your self-assessment that this isn’t a ‘sour grapes’ assessment of Canada’s tournament play. Your comments regarding running up the score are nothing but.

In making your argument that Canada was disrespectful for running up the score you conveniently ignore some of the high scoring U.S. games while at the same time downplaying the idea that goals decide ties. Do you really think the U.S. would have slacked off in any competitive game simply to as not to embarass their opponents – especially if they saw Canada doing just that and they knew they could own them in a tie? I think not.

Then you say scoring goals against an inferior team is somehow disrespectful. I would suggest that it is more disrespectful to your opponent to lay back and not try. You go on to make the argument that they could have pracised their passing instead, without considering that the point of passing is to move the puck to a teammate with the best chance to score. Why pass if you aren’t going to finish the play?

And if you actually support women’s hockey how do you expect its calibre to improve if everyone plays to the lowest common denominator?

I would also suggest that your remarks come off as somewhat sexist, regardless of your being female. Would you expect the men’s teams to put in a half-hearted effort simply because they were more skilled than their opponents?

And what about the credo of the Olympics – faster, higher, stronger – should that be ignored too, just so somebody’s feelings aren’t hurt? If so, what’s the point of even competing if you aren’t trying to do your best?

Lastly, no one in Canada is embarassed by the actions of our women’s hockey team – on the ice or after the gold medal game. So they had a drink to celebrate – so what? With the media trailing him Canadian Gold medalist Jon Montgomery walked from the flower ceremony through Whistler Olympic Plaza on his way to a TV interview and along the way grabbed a pitcher of beer that was thrust his way and drank a third of it in one gulp as he walked. Nobody blinked an eye. A few days later the women’s hockey team cracks open a couple of cans of beer after the game and it’s suddenly a big deal? I call hypocricy on anyone claiming it is.

And try as I might I simply cannot understand your objections on this. Championship teams shower each other in champagne and drink openly in front of the media while still in uniform every season. Shoot even race car drivers do. So why the double standard?

Or is it just a problem in this case because it’s women and beer and cigars and somehow that’s not ‘lady-like’ enough for you?

by Savannah C on Feb 26, 2010 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

In all honesty, my problem is that they were drinking and smoking in their national uniforms outside of their dressing room in front of the press where pictures would go public. As for the running up the score, I just don’t agree with it, and I’ve stated my reasons for that above. The US women’s team did let up in the third periods in order to not run up the score to absurd numbers when they could have. Canada chose not to in their first game but followed the American example after that one game.

But let me ask you this. Why is it so offensive for someone to be critical of a Canadian hockey team? Any Canadian hockey team – Olympic, NHL, WHL, or otherwise? Why do people automatically assume that it’s a personal attack?

Because whenever I suggest even the slightest bit of criticism towards a Canadian team, no matter how accurate it may be, I’m automatically attacked on a personal level for it by Canadians. People call me names and wonder why I’m attacking them and their team, and then say that Canadians would never do that to me and my team. When clearly they do. It’s nice when I can have a rational and calm disagreement with someone because it’s so uncommon. I don’t ask that people agree with me; I just want them understand where I’m coming from.

I write about the Tampa Bay Lighting, as this site so obviously implies, which is a team that is regularly mentioned in contraction rumors and is looked down upon or ignored simply because it’s located in Florida – despite having won a Stanley Cup in its recent history. I don’t ever see any of that criticism, however misplaced I think it may be, as a personal attack. And it doesn’t even bother me when people are completely ignorant of the team, its players, or the area. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion.

I have absolutely nothing against Canada, and have spent quite a bit of time in the western half of the country. I used to live within 20 miles of the US-Canada border and regularly watched Canadian TV stations. It’s a beautiful country and I’ve had some good friends from there. But whether anyone chooses to believe that is another story.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

My God, your complaint about running up the score comes down to one game? Please.

Re: drinking and smoking a cigar in national uniform, Jon Montgomery was in uniform as well and there was no outcry or investigation. Suddenly it’s girls swigging beer and it’s a problem?

And a team uniform is a team uniform, regardless of whether it’s your nation or the team that pays you $5 million a year to represent it. If it’s acceptable in the NHL, NFL, NBA and MLB and for a male Olympian why is it unacceptable in this case?

Please also note that not once have I called you any name or been disrespectful in any way. I also don’t much care about hockey – I’m an NFL fan – so I don’t take critical comments about their play to heart. I would, however, point out that your main objections had nothing to do with their play but rather with their method of celebration, and this I do take to heart. Whether it would be your chosen method or not is inconsequential; it is not your place to judge.

What I also care about is people like yourself making sweeping negative judgements about an entire nation based on something as ridiculous as a group of women celebrating the biggest possible win in their sport by having a beer and a cigar. If it had been the men no one would have cared, but somehow it’s different because it’s girls – and that pisses me off.

by Savannah C on Feb 26, 2010 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

If it had been a men’s team doing the exact same thing I still would’ve had a serious problem with it. I don’t distinguish between genders. This just happened to be a woman’s team that it happened with is all.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

then you need to chill out. It must have driven you bananas when the TB Lightning won the Stanley Cup and pretty much the exact same thing – swilling booze in their uniforms to celebrate the big win.

by Savannah C on Feb 26, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I do need to chill out, and maybe my own sense of propriety is a bit old-fashioned, but if it’s not my place to judge how the Canadian women’s team conducts itself then it’s not your place to judge me.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

show me where I’ve “judged” you

by Savannah C on Feb 26, 2010 11:20 PM EST reply actions  

“your remarks come off as somewhat sexist, regardless of your being female”

“your definition of sportsmanship seems to involve laying down and not competing if you’re better than everyone else.”

i’d say that those two statements were pretty judgmental. But whatever, right? This is just a friend discussion.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Er…friendly discussion, that is.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Cassie, those statements make no personal judgements whatsoever. They respond to statements you made: you’re the one who suggested Canada slack off and stop scoring when they could, and you’re the one who said “ladies (and I use that term loosely)”, as if to imply that ladies don’t drink beer or smoke cigars or celebrate when they win.

You, on the other hand, called them “jerks” and “poor losers” for doing what every professional male athlete does upon reaching the pinnacle of their sport.

by Savannah C on Feb 26, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

And I was wrong in using those terms. I freely admit that. I can make excuses for it, but the fact is that in doing that I was being disrespectful myself. For which I am sorry. But I am not sorry for voicing my opinion.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I see you are still unwilling to address the issue that male athletes in every professional sport celebrate winning their ultimate championships (Super Bowl, Stanley Cup, World Series, etc.) by swigging alcohol in front of the media – including the TB Lightning – and no one freaks out about that…

by Savannah C on Feb 26, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Glass Houses

I signed up on facebook just so I could post a response on this article but after reading all the responses so far, it seems I’ll just be echoing everyone else. Tells you how slanted and blatantly wrong your article was, eh.

My main beef with your writing was your claim that the Canadian women didn’t behave “pretty”. Who the hell cares how pretty they behaved? Saying that completely demeans their performance as players and women. It was a fact that they played better than any other team on the ice, including the Americans and there’s nothing disrespectful about being the best or celebrating for it.

NEWSFLASH: Champagne is a celebratory drink. Normally, people like to enjoy it after a momentous occasion like, say, winning a gold medal at the Olympics.
 
You should have a drink and relax.

by Tamz on Feb 26, 2010 11:25 PM EST reply actions  

It’s so funny to me how people think I’m so uptight! :oD

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Complaining about a non-issue will do that to ya.

by Tamz on Feb 26, 2010 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t see it as a non-issue. I think what the deal is is that I’m just old-fashioned. I have this misplaced sense of honor that seems to have fallen to the wayside for everyone else. That doesn’t make me uptight, tho.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh

Uptight, old-fashioned.. whatever.. doesn’t denote the fact you’re taking this whole thing too seriously.

by Tamz on Feb 26, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

As are the people writing in. So at least I’m not alone in that.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

In case you didn't know

A brief section of this article, or one like it from this website, aired on a national news broadcast for about 15 seconds and seems to have pissed off a lot of Canadians who consequently posted their sentiments above.

by Tamz on Feb 26, 2010 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

I had absolutely no idea, actually. Thanks for the heads up. I was wondering what the deal was with everyone jumping on my case.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. No problem. I tried to find the link with no success.

by Tamz on Feb 26, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s alright. I appreciate you trying, tho.

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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 26, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

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