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Stamkos or Doughty?

LOS ANGELES, CA - APRIL 21:  Drew Doughty #8 of the Los Angeles Kings reacts after the goal of Sami Salo #6 of the Vancouver Canucks during the third period in game four of the Western Conference Quarter-final at Staples Center on April 21, 2010 in Los Angeles, California.  (Photo by Harry How/Getty Images)

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4 months ago: LOS ANGELES, CA - APRIL 21: Drew Doughty #8 of the Los Angeles Kings reacts after the goal of Sami Salo #6 of the Vancouver Canucks during the third period in game four of the Western Conference Quarter-final at Staples Center on April 21, 2010 in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Harry How/Getty Images)

I reside in Vancouver, and am a Canucks fan in addition to being a Lightning fan, so I still have a team in the playoff race. This isn't a Canucks post, but I need to set up why I am writing this, so bear with me here

During the 1st round of the playoffs I had the treat of watching the Canucks face the Kings in the first round. After a few bad games by the Canucks they turned it up and finished off the series off, with Luongo making some clutch saves. But one of the players that impressed a lot of people who watch the series was Drew Doughty.

In the East, you don't get to see him play much from all the late start times that the Kings have but since I watch quite a few Western Conference games I can attest to how great of a player Drew Doughty is. After the playoff series was done, one of the questions that was put forwards was "if you could go back to the 2008 draft, would you draft Steven Stamkos or Drew Doughty?"

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It's hard to compare players who play different positions, but it's still an interesting question to ponder. Stamkos and Doughty were drafted #1 and #2 respectively in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft. They both played in the OHL and were blowing it up in the juniors before they were drafted. When the Lightning drafted Stamkos it was a no brainer to choose him over Doughty. We have seen Stamkos mature over the past two years, but most Lightning fans haven't seen much of the Kings, so here's a little primer about Doughty:

 

In his first year in the NHL, Doughty played 81 games and got 6 goals and 21 assists, while logging some serious minutes on the LA blue line. He then went on with Stamkos to play in the World Championships last year in Switzerland and registered 1 goal and 6 assists in 9 games. At the WC's is where he really caught the eye of Team Canada. Steven Stamkos wasn't selected to Team Canada, but Drew Doughty was and he was instrumental in their gold medal win. This past season he played 82 games and notched 16 goals and 43 assists and in the six games in the playoffs this year he got 3 goals and 4 assists. Every time he touched the puck on a powerplay, Canuck fans were scared of Drew. With all of his offense, he reminds me a lot of Dan Boyle. He was just recently named a Norris trophy nominee.

Stamkos on the other hand has also made some serious accomplishments. Scoring 51 goals has made him tie Sidney Crosby for the Rocket Richard Trophy and become the 3rd youngest player to break the 50 goal mark, which is really no small feat. At the WC's last year, in 9 games he scored 7 goals and had 4 assists but did not get named to Team Canada in the Olympics, though many people felt that he should have been.

So in Drew you have a Norris trophy nominee and in Stamkos, an Rocket Richard trophy winner, tough decision as to who you would prefer on your team. Obviously it depends on what your team needs, either an offensive defenseman who can quarterback the powerplay or a goalscorer like Stamkos. Both are franchise players that you can build a team around.

I agree with the selection that the Lightning made, since 50+ goal scoring forwards are hard to come by, but it's still a curious question to toss around in the off season. Is the fact that the Lightning have no good offensive defensemen like Doughty make you even consider that Doughty would have been a better choice? Imagine if Tampa had drafted Doughty and taken Duchene in the next year? That's all in hindsight of course.

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Talent-wise, it’s an interesting question. However, if you figure in the ownership distractions and coaching issues, I doubt that Doughty would’ve been as successful as he has been with LA. All you have to do is look no further than Victor Hedman to see that. On the other hand…think about what Stamkos might’ve been in LA.

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by Cassie McClellan on Apr 28, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Makes me wonder how the progress of Hedman will be in his 2nd season

by Dani Toth on Apr 28, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hedman needs a tutor, somewhat like Walz was for Stamkos. Even Roman Hamrlik had Wayne Cashman to help bring him along (ok, probably a bad history reference and I should get schooled for it)

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by John Fontana on Apr 28, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doughty. Next question.

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by Curt S on Apr 28, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Justification?

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by John Fontana on Apr 28, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talented forwards with good shots are easier to come by.

Doughty is one of the most offensively gifted defensemen in the NHL. While this, on it’s own, is not a recipe for a prime NHL player (see Berard), Doughty has a strength in his own zone that is leagues above any player of comparable offensive ability. You could liken him to an even better Dan Boyle — look at what happened to Tampa when he got hurt and was subsequently traded.

Stamkos, while extremely talented, and doubtless one of the top 15 players in the league that I’d build around, has a lot more players in his ‘class’. Take Matt Duchene as an example. Duchene is offensively talented (though he’ll likely never be as good as Stamkos in that regard, they are in the same class) and is quite strong in his own zone (Stamkos is no liability either). These players are in the same class, in my mind. Doughty has no one else. Had the Lightning gone Doughty, Duchene instead of Stamkos, Hedman I think that they would be better off for it.

Stamkos is an elite talent and is doubtless a player to get excited about. If you can’t build a winning team around this guy in a few seasons then you simply aren’t trying. That said, there is nobody in the league that does what Doughty does, particularly at his age, and for that reason I feel you have to take the guy that is one of a kind over the top ten forward.

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by Curt S on Apr 28, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stamkos. As good as Doughty is, i’d still rather have Stamkos. It’s not like he was a bust and a great player was drafted behind him (i.e. Daigle over Pronger, Jessiman/Nilsson over Parise). All the distractions off ice and Mr Mullet did lead to him not having a star defining rookie season, but he made progress at the WCs like Dani mentions, and then he has the big season this year and wins the Rocket Richard. A 50 goal scorer is much harder to come by (i.e. Crosby, Ovechkin, Heatley, Kovalchuk) and they’re either going to be really high draft picks or complete drama queens (see: Heatley). If Stamkos had less than 30 goals this season, I would take Doughty over him. If he had between 30-40 goals I’d probably not be sure who i would’ve taken 1st overall in hindsight

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Apr 28, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

my two cents….Stamkos was the right pick for the Lightning. While Doughty might have been the “smarter” pick (puck moving defensemen are a rare commodity) to rebuild the franchise – Stammer was the pick that puts butts in the seat. Maybe it wasn’t a lot more butts, but the franchise needed a sexy scorer.

Think of the last week of the season – the only drama on the team was his chase for the Richard. Young defensemen are hard to guage in the NHL and I don’t think the Bolts were in a spot to take a chance with Doughty being a bust. Stamkos was as close to a sure thing in that draft and they had to take it.

by Lightningfan7609 on Apr 28, 2010 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

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