Vincent Lecavalier: The Man, The Myth.
For the Lightning in Tampa Bay, there's a lot of talk now about coaches, draft picks, and free agents. I'm glad to hear that there's a little less talk about the Lightning's captain, Vincent Lecavalier. In the middle of the season, there was talks of him being traded, his poor play being attribute to him not caring, blah blah blah. By the end of last season, he was playing similar to his old self, but not quite, and here's why.
His Teammates
What kind of player is Vinny? The answer is what kind of player isn't Vinny? He can shoot, pass, check, and lead. Last season, he didn't seem like a motivated player. Let's examine a line he was on for a lot of the season.
Vinny was put on a first line with Alex Tanguay, a goal scorer, and Ryan Malone, a power forward. That leaves Vinny to be a playmaker. Take the zone, make the pass or put the puck in the havoc that Malone is creating in front of the net. At the beginning of the season, Malone was the garbage man, cleaning up every puck that came his way, but where was Tanguay? When teams started wising up to Malone's ways, Vinny began shooting more, or getting double teamed when trying to take the zone, making it hard to really establish a forecheck. Where was Tanguay? 10 goals in an 80 game season is not a shooter, that's called a bad signing. Vinny was asleep for half the season and still came up with 24 goals. Vinny spent a lot of time being shuffled around with other players, occasionally with Marty St. Louis where he met some mild success, and on the power play with Steven Stamkos, but he spent most of the season with Alex Tanguay, who didn't do much of anything, and with everyone else playing fairly well together, what incentive was there to put Vinny on a line where he would produce?
In addition, there was a lot of talk about how Vinny wasn't shooting enough or not going hard enough into the boards to fight for the puck. These things might seem true, but I always noticed Vinny's lack of support. Malone is supposed to be the grinder along the boards while Vinny gets open. You see Malkin and Crosby do this all the time when out of the ice together in Pittsburgh. They circle each other, getting open, grinding for position until they can dish to other side of the ice (where Tanguay could strike, though he didn't) or at the point for our defensemen (what defensemen?) to put the puck on net.
My solution: Put the hustle and skill back into Vinny's line. If we've learned anything from this past season, it's that Tanguay sucks and that Stamkos can score in the most absurd ways possible. So the first line should be Steven Stamkos, Steve Downie, and Vinny. If Stammer and The Hammer centered by Vinny doesn't get you excited, there's no changing your mind; And save your breath about Stammer being a center for my other article, the kid's a shooting winger, not a playmaking center. Look what you get: Vinny takes the zone, Hammer follows up and creates havoc, grinds on the boards, creates space for Vinny and/or Stammer to pass and shoot all over the place. You would see a new man out there on the ice. That line would score goals, swallow suns, and destroy worlds. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
The Curse of the "C" and the Nagging Injury
Did anyone besides Torts ever notice that Vinny played like garbage with the "C" on his jersey? I don't think that he's a bad captain, per se, but you don't really hear about him "captaining" as much as you would some other captains around the league. Contrary to what this section's title's suggests, I don't think that the "C" is a curse for Vinny; I think it's an added responsibility that Vinny has to grow into a little more. He was stripped of it once before for his lackluster performance and selfish play. Maybe he is being too conscious about non-selfish play? It's not really for us to say, but it's something to think about.
Another big what if was the injury that Vincent sustained a few years back. After the 07-08 season, Vinny had surgery on his left wrist to fix a nagging injury. One year later, after the 08-09 season, he had another surgery on the wrist. I feel that he may have been playing on an injured wrist for almost a complete season in 2008-2009, and finally had it fixed the right way, only to come back unsure of how fixed it really was in 2009-2010. How would you feel if you had to have surgery two years in a row? Probably unsure of how much stress that wrist could take, especially in a hard-hitting game like hockey. Again, it's not for us to say.
To me, all the trade rumors and talk of poor play may have hurt his feelings and made him play worse, or even lit a fire under him to start bringing sexy back towards the end of next season. My point is that Vincent Lecavalier has been one of the biggest, if not the biggest asset to the Tampa Bay Lightning franchise and will continue to do so for the rest of his career. He is one of the greatest players who has one of the greatest characters and attitudes towards the game that our team will ever see. He loves Tampa Bay and we should love him back, despite a couple crappy seasons.
This post was written by a member of the Raw Charge community and doesn't necessarily express the views or opinions of Raw Charge staff.
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Very eloquent...
You would see a new man out there on the ice. That line would score goals, swallow suns, and destroy worlds. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
LOL. Very eloquent. And a whole lot of truth as well. We discussed in most all of the game threads this past season what might be wrong with Vinny and what would fix it. It would be interesting (to say the very least) to see what a line with Stammer and Vinny could do, if Stammer was open to changing over to wing from center. But the question becomes: Where is Marty in all this?
We (in the game threads) came upon the idea to put Stammer and Downs together, Vinny and Marty together and see which one Malone fits with best, but probably with Stammer’s line. Then find that winger to fit alongside Marty and Vinny. Then you have not one ginormous monster line (which is, by the way, VERY attractive) but two very good scoring lines to "spread the wealth" and not give the opposition one line to concentrate on.
I have come to a conclusion... Martin St Louis = waterbug on meth...
Marty's Role
Thanks!
It’s my opinion, one I’m voicing in another article that I’m writing, that we go out and get a Center who can handle Marty and Bugsy on the Wings. With the kind of hustle and havoc Marty and Bugsy can create, I think a center of Tomas Plekanec proportions would turn that second line into a grinding nightmare for an opposing team. I think that the skill level of the two lines together who create a dynamic that would be tough to deal with. You’d have a first line of pure will and skill, then a second line that could not only act as an energy line, but could get goals as well (but I also think we have a third line that’ll start scoring in Nasty Nate, Terrible Ted, and Stormin’ Steph). And of course, you would reunite Marty and Stammers on the power play.
In all reality, I love the idea of any combination of Vinny, Marty, Stammer, Hammer, and Bugsy. I just think that Vinny needs the extra jump from Stammer and the Hammer, along with the thought that Stammer should become the shooter he was meant to become.
by TheAbsoluteJay on May 26, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions
Nice theory
If Stammer is indeed willing to consider the change from center to winger, he could become very hard to stop. His shot from the faceoff circle has already become the stuff of legend. If that did happen, two excellent lines could result. And Vinny plays better when he is pushed. Which is one reason he plays so well with Marty. But a line with Stammer and Vinny would create a two headed monster and give opposing teams nightmares.
One change I’d make is to your third line combo. Since Veilleux is a UFA and not likely to be resigned (in my opinion) I would replace him on that with “Killer” (our game thread affectionate name for James Wright-there’s a story behind that name too). I could definitely see a third line of Nate, Teddy P and Killer. Wright has a scoring touch (as evidenced with his first NHL goal on an assist from the Captain) and it has improved after he was sent back to the Vancouver Giants (juniors) to finish the year there. He’s also very responsible defensively and can skate very well. Then the fourth line consists of ? At this time, Todd Fedoruk (aka Fridge) is the only name that comes to mind. I am very much hoping they resign Zeke as well. But they need a winger.
I have come to a conclusion... Martin St Louis = waterbug on meth...
by Tina Robinson on May 26, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I could live with that...
I watched Steph play in Minnesota, so I like him a lot, but I like Killer more, so I could dig that third line.
I definitely like Zeke and Fridge on the fourth line. Maybe that would be a good line to rotate in some of our younger guys. Z could probably teach them a few things. Bochenski and/or Jones maybe?
by TheAbsoluteJay on May 26, 2010 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was under the impression that Brandon Bo had bolted (sorry for the pun there) for Europe and had already signed a contract with one of the European teams (not the KHL). I’ll have to do a bit more research to see if I’m misinformed.
As for Blair Jones…Well, he’s had his chances in the past couple of years and for some reason, he just didn’t “do” anything for me. I don’t know if it was the coaching or something else, but he just didn’t seem to have what it took to stick with the big boys. He had his chance in training camp last season and didn’t impress then either. It could be that the team takes a look at an old friend that was the team captain in Norfolk, Ryan Craig. I know that Craiger had his issues in the past few years with knee problems that derailed a promising future, but he’s become a leader on that Norfolk team and he, along with another vet, Adam Hall, held that team together after the coaching upheaval when JJ was sent to Tampa in that Wes Walz fiasco. Could Craig work on the 4th line? Sure. But the question becomes is he willing to play 4th line minutes, which can be in very short supply on most nights. I don’t know if he’s willing to do that or if he wants to try for “greener pastures” elsewhere.
I have come to a conclusion... Martin St Louis = waterbug on meth...
by Tina Robinson on May 26, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t know that injuries were the issue for Ryan Craig, I always liked him. Same with Adam Hall, so I think those are both good suggestions. You’re also right when talking about them taking 4th line minutes in the NHL as opposed to 1st and 2nd line minutes in the minors.
But another thing to consider would be that if you had a strong fourth line, you could give them more minutes, or even put them in special teams situations and give them a chance to maybe make more room for themselves.
A strong 4th line also gives a coach the ability to double shift a player or give a player an extra minute or two of bench.
I’ve been kind of disappointed with how Melrose, Tocchet, and even how Tortorella sometimes managed the lines. Which is another reason I think an out of the box approach like the Stammer/Vinny/Hammer line, a strong fourth line, and even a little line juggling on the fly, should be used for a team like the Lightning, who I think have lots of talent to go around.
by TheAbsoluteJay on May 26, 2010 5:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know Craig had one injury, at the beginning of the season a couple of years ago. He had been scoring goals at a good clip but after he came back, he never seemed to be the same player. He may have reinjured the knee a season later. A strong 4th line is very important. Zeke has the ability to be a grinder and energy guy which is what you want on the 4th line. Fridge can do the same and has some size to him as well. A good 4th line player can also be a penalty killer or take the place of somebody out for some short term reason (injury during a game, benched a game for poor production, nagging injury, etc).
It appeared to me that Tocchet could never make up his mind as to where anybody was going to play. He never left a line together (other than MSL and Stammer) long enough to even see if there was any hint of chemistry. That doesn’t happen in 1 or 2 shifts. Put the guys together and leave them the hell alone! And Torts just simply fell in love with certain players and combinations and he just rode them until they gave out then there was nothing left to fall back on. Melrose? Well, I’m not going to even dignify that man’s “coaching” effort with a reply. He was not a head coach. He was a MISTAKE.
I think the Lightning have about 40M tied up in player salaries for next season and that’s 12 or 13 players, and they need to get an extension done for Stammer before he even gets a sniff of free agency. Same for Marty, if Marty is so inclined to stay. Yzerman is going to have some hard choices coming and the cap is going to be a tight squeeze unless they can dump some “dead weight” from the roster and find a few bargains.
I have come to a conclusion... Martin St Louis = waterbug on meth...
by Tina Robinson on May 26, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
39.6 mil with 12 players signed.
http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=TBL&season=0910
Also, this last year was the last with Denis on the books.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on May 26, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I was pretty close then. I was taking a best guess estimate quickly. And the new GM will have some hard decisions, both in this upcoming season as well as future considerations (contract extensions). And Tampa isn’t the only team with cap concerns. They do seem to be in better shape than some (Chicago and Montreal come to mind).
Stevie Y will have a lot on his plate to get this team back to being competitive. I’m looking forward to how he does it.
Is it October yet?
I have come to a conclusion... Martin St Louis = waterbug on meth...
by Tina Robinson on May 26, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It's actually 13 players
Johan Harju was signed to his rookie deal. Swede wing who played in the KHL last season.
"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.
by John Fontana on May 27, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Or heres a better idea. Marty – Vinny – Wright ::: Downie – Stammer – Malone, and win? Maybe the new coach will realize Stamkos does not NEED Marty to succeed.
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I have no problem with those combos. As we often said in the game threads, Marty and Vinny need to be playing together. Marty is just able to get more out of Vinny than anybody else on that club (even when Vinny was playing with Brad Richards). Flip-flop Bugsy and Killer and you may have your combinations. Let the three young guys (Stammer, Downs and Killer) grow together.
Although the original suggestion of putting Stammer and Vinny together is intriguing. Stammer on the wing would have different responsibilities than at center, but it would put him in a position to use that patented “faceoff circle shot” he has become so adept at using.
And you are correct, Stammer does not need Marty as much as the previous coaching regime thought he did. Stammer will be just fine without him. And think putting Marty with Vinny gives the best chance of two balanced lines to be successful. The third and fourth lines remain to be seen. If they resign Nate Thompson and Teddy Purcell, that will be a start. Resigning Zeke for the 4th line is a no-brainer in my opinion.
I have come to a conclusion... Martin St Louis = waterbug on meth...
by Tina Robinson on May 26, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Who makes the play?
My issue with putting Bugsy and Hammer centered by Stammer is that Stammer is left to make the play and make the shot where as a line with Stamkos on the wing with a playmaker at center would give him a chance to shoot more.
You are right in the fact that he doesn’t need Marty, but I think he needs more than Hammer and Bugsy.
by TheAbsoluteJay on May 26, 2010 5:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

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