Boston Cap Party: Is Steve Yzerman invited?
Though I have primarily been preoccupied with the ongoing transformation of the Tampa Bay Lightning this summer, there are several cap-strapped teams whose off-season maneuverings have kept me intrigued. The Boston Bruins are one such team. I again find myself pondering how (and suddenly accomplished) Lightning GM Steve Yzerman might be tempted by another team's vulnerability.
First, Boston GM Peter Chiarelli's dilemma. The Bruins presently have 20 players under contract with approximately a paltry $12,000 in cap space remaining due, in part, to a nearly $1.75 million performance bonus penalty carried over from last season. The defensive batteries seem set with 7 defensemen signed to one-way contracts and Tim Thomas probably a lock to remain in Beantown as an expensive insurance policy in case young Tuukka Rask falters. The problem lies up front where Chiarelli (who, side note, alternately reminds me of a bald Phillip Seymour Hoffman and a joyless version of Tom Cruise's character from Tropic Thunder) needs to add at least one more body but with 7 forwards already under contract with cap hits of at least $3.5 million, unsigned RFA Blake Wheeler still in contract limbo and 2nd overall pick Tyler Seguin expected to sign a deal similar to Taylor Hall's. In short, this an unenviable task that will require to make a short-term and potentially unpleasant sacrifice.
So what are Mr. Swag Glasses immediate options?
A. Send Tyler Seguin back to the OHL
One could argue the Bruins don't need Seguin this year with Savard, Bergeron and Krejci already in the mix and a talented if unspectacular group of veteran wingers to round out the top-9. Another year of dominant play in Plymouth would be mutually beneficial as two high-priced role players, Marco Sturm and Michael Ryder, come off the books next off-season, providing the cap space to promote Seguin, re-sign key UFAs like Zdeno Chara and Patrice Bergeron, as well as give the team the flexibility to be players in free agency and/or the trade market. The Bruins would also have to walk away from Blake Wheeler's arbitration award making him free to negotiate with any club. Chiarelli would still have to find a way to ice a 12th forward.
B. Trade one of Patrice Bergeron/David Krejci/Marc Savard
You can certainly understand the logic behind the speculation about Savard's status in Boston: many believed the Bruins would end up with Tyler Seguin, creating a cost-prohibitive(in terms of cap-space) logjam at center. Despite the fact that Savard agreed to a 7-year contract extension last December, the consider the $4 million cap hit may be palatable enough for another GM to attempt to acquire him. Savard has a no-trade clause which obviously presents an obstacle to moving him but it is compounded by a lack of likely suitors--many teams are set up the middle and many others lack the available cap space. You would think Boston would prefer to move Savard without taking back salary. The latest out of Boston suggests Savard probably will not be dealt.
Bergeron and Krejci arguably make better trade bait. Yes, Bergeron has a higher cap hit ($4,750,000) but he does not have a no-trade clause. He would clear ample space to promote Seguin and sign or promote an additional forward. Moving Krejci ($3,750,000) likely clears just enough to promote Seguin. Interestingly enough, the Bruins do not seem to be considering these as options, unless they are in fact having internal discussions of which details haven't been leaked. Aside from offhand fan speculation, I have not read as much from a credible source. Of course, it's entirely possible a credible source has written about the possibility of Bergeron and Krejci being dealt and I just haven't read the article/tweet.
C. Trade/Waive one of Milan Lucic/Michael Ryder/Marco Sturm
Lucic is a big-bodied fan favorite who can fight and has raw offensive skill. A cross between Ryan Malone and Evgeny Artyukhin. He's put up 27 and 42 points his first two seasons (149 combined games) before last year's injury-marred 20 point performance in 50 games played. The only downside to Lucic, really, is his contract. He is signed for the next three seasons during which he will carry a cap hit just over $4 million. I think it makes a world of sense to dangle Lucic; you know Brian Burke, ever eager to add more truculence, would love to procure Lucic. However, this thought process is probably not as evident, nor a popular sentiment, in Boston.
I'm sure the Bruins would love to unload Michael Ryder. After a solid 27g, 26 debut season in 2008-2009, Ryder regressed to the tune of 18g and 15a last season. He's essentially become a $4 million 3rd line forward for the Boston Bruins. Trading Ryder should not be an easy task given the current financial landscape around the NHL but it is possible one of the minority of teams that are under the cap floor or have ample ($10 million +) cap space might be willing to take on Ryder for the right price. That's right, I think the Bruins would likely have to add value to any deal involving Ryder, who is a UFA after the upcoming season. The Bruins could opt to demote Ryder to the minors, but I have to imagine that would be an extreme last resort for Chiarelli. I don't think it is a very likely possibility at all.
Marco Sturm, like Ryder, is a third-liner on the Boston Bruins earning over $3 million. Like Savard, Sturm has a no-trade clause. I'm guessing he would probably be willing to waive it for certain teams but he would probably be hard to move anyway due to his injury history. Also like Ryder, he's a UFA at the end of the season. Would Chiarelli dare bury Marco Sturm in the minors? I can't see that being a popular move in the locker room or amongst the fan base.
D. Trade Horton
Technically this is an option. But is this really an option? No friggin' way.
As you've probably surmised, there isn't a clear cut option. Some are more desirable outcomes then others but probably not as feasible. Many might necessitate a subsequent, if minor, transaction. So, we don't know what yet, but we do know that Peter Chiarelli has to do something.
So where exactly do I see Steve Yzerman and the Tampa Bay Lightning potentially fitting into all of this? I suspect what I'm about to propose Steve Yzerman consider doing you're either going to find implausibly outrageous or downright shrewd. It'll probably never happen but, hey, we're in the middle of the hockey doldrums and I'm here to offer you some food for thought.
Yzerman's acquisition of Simon Gagne has left the Lightning with approximately $11 million in cap space (I am really unsure of why Capgeek is showing $16 million remaining). The defense and goalies are set (although Yzerman has said he is open to adding another defenseman). The top-lines are set. The only holes in the Lightning roster are on the bottom lines where there are three unfilled spots after accounting for Harju, Purcell and Thompson. One of those spots is probably Niklas Persson's to lose with Carter Ashton, Blair Jones, Paul Szczechura and Dana Tyrell competing. For the remaining two, Yzerman has suggested he might sign free agents but that remains to be seen.
One thing Yzerman has stressed in recent interviews is his intent on signing players to very short-term deals or likewise acquiring players with contracts that will expire after this upcoming season or next. Boston has several players, most of whom I discussed before the jump, that fit this criteria. While the trade for Gagne and his $5.25 million salary/cap hit would seem to preclude another trade for a high-priced forward, I think there is, perhaps, a unique opportunity to stretch the budget this season for a veteran player who can provide depth this season and will be gone next season.
I think Yzerman should call Chiarelli and try to work out a deal based around Michael Ryder. There, I said it, but before you roll your eyes and write me off, there is a catch to what I'm proposing. Michael Ryder would have to come in a package deal. What I'm really interested in, if I'm Steve Yzerman, is the 2011 1st round pick that Boston obtained from Toronto in the Phil Kessel trade.
At present, I'm not going to speculate on what it would cost the Lightning to obtain Ryder and the pick. It would obviously have to be picks or prospects. Ryder, on his own, would come extremely cheap but I really could not begin to guess how Boston would prioritize an unknown asset. I highly doubt Boston would want to move this pick and would only agree to move it in desperation, but I would not budge from demanding it if I were Yzerman. No pick, no trade.
Yes, Ryder would be an overpaid 3rd liner on the Lightning. For one season. But Ryder does have talent. He has scored 25+ goals 4 out of the 6 seasons he has played in the NHL. In those same seasons he hit 50+ points. At this point in his career, he's a seasoned NHL vet and with Johan Harju and Teddy Purcell probably seeing time on the 3rd line, Ryder could serve as the voice of experience and provide scoring depth. For one season.
It's a gamble for the Lightning if they acquire the pick, but it's also just as much a gamble for the Bruins if they hold onto the pick. There's no guarantee the Leafs will finish in the bottom-10 next season, let alone the bottom-3. That said, when I look at the Leafs roster, I see two scoring lines and two very poor checking lines. The defense will more likely than not be without Kaberle but even if he stays, I would expect the defense to continue to perform until Brian Burke has finished re-tooling his forward corps and I don't see that happening this off-season.
So, in summary, if there is money to burn, it's a gamble I'm willing to take if I'm Jeff Vinik and Steve Yzerman, if, of course, the Bruins are willing to ante up. If the Leafs do finish in the bottom-5, the Lightning mind end up with an opportunity to draft one of the already--being-hyped prospects such as Sean Couturier, who would be yet another excellent offensive talent to add to the system, or Adam Larsson, who could become the organization's other long-term (and Swedish!) cornerstone on defense.
Again, I highly doubt this comes to fruition. Heck, if I'm Peter Chiarelli I'm steering clear of any deals with Steve Yzerman considering his last bit of work that nearly had Paul Holmgren hanging in effigy in downtown Philadelphia.
Finally, please keep in mind when discussing this that I have been entirely speculative. If you have better ideas, let's hear 'em!
This post was written by a member of the Raw Charge community and doesn't necessarily express the views or opinions of Raw Charge staff.
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Work your magic, John.
There’s a few edits I intend to make myself, but I ran out of steam for now. Need to eat.
by Michael Gallimore on Jul 21, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions
But Yzerman clearly has a preference for teams that have red jerseys. The Bruins clash with that. I’m not sure I can see it. ;o)
There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.
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by Cassie McClellan on Jul 21, 2010 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Just imagined a red Bruins sweater...
…it made me wince.
by Michael Gallimore on Jul 21, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i wanted ryder two seasons ago and ill still take him now. theres a few other teams that are pretty cap strapped too. such as the new york rangers.especially if they want to take a run at kovy now that hes a UFA again. altho they might move gaborik to do that(hey you wanna throw gabby on our third line;) ) and VAN has a whaleload of D men and im pretty sure they are shopping a few. if i were the bolts i would go after Thomas. with smith being gone next year it would be better for us to get thomas and then just waive smith or buy him out. or even put smith in the deal for thomas. and perhaps a pick. boston would shed another few mill in cap space and get back a decent backup for rask. i dont care what people say about thomas he still won a vezina two years ago. ill take him.
It's the pick I want
NOT Ryder. But I did write that I think he’s a decent but pricey stopgap that could put up some points.
A couple things:
a. Kovalchuk is technically a free agent again but I really don’t see him see him signing anywhere else after that press conference. AWKWARD.
b. Do you really think New York is going to trade Gaborik? I don’t. And there’s no room for him here. Really.
c. The only defenseman I think Vancouver would be interested in moving that the Lightning should have any remote interest in, IMO, is Kevin Bieksa. I wouldn’t be despondent but I also wouldn’t be thrilled if Yzerman acquired him. His cap hit is $3.5 million and I don’t even think he’d crack the top-4 here. There’s other teams more in need of him, IMO.
d. I think Thomas is a decent goalie who played well but was outplayed last season, but given his comments about payroll/cap flexibility for the next two seasons, I really doubt Yzerman has any interest in acquiring him. Thomas would be on the books past the next CBA.
by Michael Gallimore on Jul 21, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting but Unecessary
Great job of speculation and I’m sure there is some team following your recommendation to a t, likely the Leafs. I appreciate the level of thought that went into this and would not discount it entirely but rate it highly unlikely. I’d see a Modano signing ( as tweeted by a Hockey News writer last night) in Tampa as much more likely. I feel with any dealings with a cash strapped team we’d be looking to upgrade on defense and send one our many d prospects back the other way. Vancouver is dangling Biesksa who is much more physical and younger than Kaberle. He’s also on the last year of his deal and he traditionally performs better in his odd years. Why not Adam Hall and Matt Lashoff for Bieksa, it would move minimum salary back but would give us a top 6 d to rival Toranna and Phily.
Don in St Pete
Oh, yeah, mere speculation. Just trying to be creative...
…in light of the fact that cap space can be the driving force and most coveted asset in a deal.
I would be SHOCKED if Yzerman pulled anything remotely close to this and agree we’ll most likely see a veteran center or winger signed.
Thanks for mentioning the apparent interest in Modano. I missed that story. Wow, that’s out of the blue. Do you even think he would consider playing in Tampa?
I guess I could dig a season of Bieksa as the #5 if we’re sending salary back. How about Hall + Smaby instead? I’d like to see Lashoff stick around a bit longer.
by Michael Gallimore on Jul 21, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a rumour picked up off Twiiter
I’m not sure it was newsworthy, but it was RT@Hockeynews that tweeted " Why not Modano inTampa bay"? It is a good fit for more reason’s than I could comprehend. Since the Wings haven’t signed him yet you have to think we have as good a chance as anyone. If he wants 2 years that might be a problem. Smaby has shown much more than Lashoff though coming off the two concussions he should be considered going back too.
Don in St Pete
by Don in St Pete on Jul 21, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
Mike M. had said that the Red Wings and Blackhawks were the two teams he was considering. Thee had been no indication that he was even considering a Eastern Conference locale.
I think the D situation is being over-scrutinized or expectations are starting to go too high. I know Yzerman said he’d like to maybe acquire another D — but at what point do they give a shot to the guys in the system they haver? Wishart, Mihalik, Jackson, Barberio (who is going pro this year), etc? These guys, competing with Smaby and Lashoff… Well, I think it’s more cost-effective than going and trading for another D man or signing an UFA.
Hell, I’d take Paul Ranger before I’d go and do that, and I have no faith in Ranger right now.
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by John Fontana on Jul 22, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
modano would be great here….plus i love when his jersey flies behind him like no other guy in the NHL he could still put up prob 40 or 50 points with the right guys and hes a true vet presence in the lockerroom. a tim taylor type like we had in our cup run. solid 3rd line center playing with some young guys like tyrell, harju, ashton, or purcell. i heard somewhere that he would only play in DET or retire but im not sure. Tampa seems awfully nice right about now. if he wanted to stick around a 2 yr 3.5 mill deal would be great. or a 1 yr 2 mill deal. worth the payment i think. 1.5 would be better but i wouldnt complain at 2.
Very thought provoking article
Two points I think can’t be understated. First, Seguin has been playing “second fiddle” to Taylor Hall for most of lead-in to the draft, the draft itself, and after. Being demoted while his competition is playing for the big club in Edmonton will chap his hide—perhaps enough to want to leave after his entry-level contract is up. There will be plenty of clubs willing to sign him in three years’ time.
Second, next year’s biggest (physically and figuratively) UFA—Chara—is a major piece in the Bruins roster, and getting room with which to sign him will be critical for Beantown.
That said, I’ve not been the biggest Ryder fan, but you make some compelling points. Like you, I’d be interested in the 1st round pick in ‘11—but I’m wary of the cost. It wouldn’t be cheap. Then again, our Jedi Master GM got Gagne for far less than I think anyone could have predicted.
Re: Cost of the 2011 1st Round Pick
It might be costly. It might not when packaged with Ryder. Again, the interesting question is…could a team like Boston be tempted to part with an unknown but probably highly valuable asset for valuable cap space now? I really don’t know. We do know that Chiarelli is certainly not in as dire straits as Holmgren was, but at present he can’t fit 2 potentially crucial players, one of which is a highly touted top-2 pick, into their lineup.
But thanks for reading it. Glad you found it thought-provoking.
by Michael Gallimore on Jul 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahahaha
This trade is laughable. There is exactly 0% of it happening. In order to get that pick from Boston, TB would have to give up something of very good value. Why would you give up anything to Ryder. Makes no sense, not going to happen.
The Bs cap issue a little overblown, Sturm is out til at least mid-Nov so nothing has to be done until then. IF they get hit with injuries like they did last year no one will have to be moved at all. Obviously Ryder/Thomas will not be moved …. though that’s what Bruins fans though about Wideman and Chiarelli somehow turned him into Horton. The likely candidate to be moved if needed is Andrew Ference. It could also be possible that they choose not to re-sign Wheeler, or possibly sign and trade him or sign Wheeler and buy out Ryder. I wish they would just send down Ryder but the Jacobs will never let 4 mil sit in the minors.
To suggest Seguin would want to leave after his 3 years if demoted this season is pure fantasy. Odds are Seguin will play the first 9 games and be demoted. There is no rush, we are loaded at center.
by MTLsBiggestBsFan on Jul 22, 2010 8:36 AM EDT reply actions
Laughable?
Not being likely to occur is not the same as absurd. Laughable would be suggesting the Bruins trade the potential lottery pick they got from Toronto for a mid-tier prospect and the 2012 2nd we got from Philly in the Meszaros trade. I think you’re underestimating the value of additional cap space while shedding actual salary commitments and I also think you’re understating the B’s cap scenario but I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree there.
That said, thanks for taking the time to read and comment!
by Michael Gallimore on Jul 22, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cap
Michael – I think the difference between what you think the remaining Cap # is and what CapGeek says it is lies in how the bonus money applies to the Cap at this point of the season. I don’t think it counts until a player earns it or, in the case of Stamkos, has shown he can reach whatever thresholds are in the contract. Thats how some teams went over the cap last seson and were penalized.
A waste of Cap space
Why would you go after another top 6 forward when our top two lines are filled out? Why would you trade for a top6 forward to place on your 3rd line who was know for being defensively defficient?
Don in St Pete
by Don in St Pete on Jul 22, 2010 10:41 PM EDT reply actions
Did you read the article?
I thought I made it pretty clear that Michael Ryder would NOT be the target in such a trade.
What I was essentially proposed was “buying” a potential lottery pick. Michael Ryder is, in effect, the cost of doing business. The end result would not be a contradiction to anything Steve Yzerman has stated, publicly, about his plan for this organization. A gamble? Yes. Unlikely for a variety of reasons? Yes again.
Furthermore, this team could do worse than having Michael Ryder on their 3rd line. In fact, they have a guy signed right now who is probably a poor man’s version of Ryder at this stage of his career (Ted Purcell). Look, Ryder’s probably never going to win the Selke, Don, but aside from mere opinion, his career statistics (and, if you want to wade through, these) don’t warrant him being labeled a defensive liability. Sorry.
Would you still call this
by Michael Gallimore on Jul 23, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Would you still call this a waste of cap space if the Lightning, fresh off a return to the playoffs, were picking 3rd in next year’s draft and Michael Ryder was no longer on the ledger?
by Michael Gallimore on Jul 23, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Look, I really do think Steve Y is going to be a GM for TB and they will improve over the next few years, but in order for this deal to get done he would have to forge Chiarelli’s name on the deal. Like I said early it’s not happening.
Since you seem to think it’s reasonable, what exactly do you see TB giving in return for Ryder and the Leafs/Bruins pick. Remember we just traded Wideman and the 15th for Horton. Trust me Florida did us a favor by taking Wideman off our hands, just like TB would be with Ryder. I can make a very very strong case that Wideman is the worst player in the league.
by MTLsBiggestBsFan on Jul 23, 2010 7:02 AM EDT reply actions
Wideman is far from the worst player in the league.
C’mon, that’s just being sensational. But I would LOVE to see that argument.
It would absolutely behoove Chiarelli to find a better deal for unloading Ryder or an entirely different solution to their cap situation, but if I’m Yzerman, I’m calling Chiarelli and giving him this option. All I’ve done is identify what I would demand were I Yzerman. As you said, Yzerman would be doing Chiarelli a favor by taking Ryder off his hands.
The only way I feel such a deal would have a remote chance of happening would start with Chiarelli feeling compelled to have Seguin with the big club the entire season. Even walking away from Wheeler’s arbitration award and letting him become UFA or agreeing to it and trading him would not make room for Seguin. Somebody else would have to go. Yeah, Chiarelli could bury Ryder in the minors, but even you find that extremely unlikely. So, he looks to move somebody with a big price tag. Ideally that’s Ryder or Savard, but those two will probably necessitate taking salary back, which would necessitate moving an additional contract to fit Seguin in. Doesn’t add up. So, Chiarelli needs to dump a big-ticket player without taking salary back. Can he do it? Probably, but my guess is he’s got to add a sweetener.
If I had to even guess what Yzerman would even offer, I’d guess he’d start by offering Ted Purcell + Vladimir Mihalik + 2012 2nd round pick.
by Michael Gallimore on Jul 23, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Purcell has a 1-way, 750k contract
Like I said, that’s a starting point. Ideally Chiarelli takes no salary back but Chiarelli could waive Purcell when Sturm returns. If he clears, his salary is bearable even if he’s in the minors.
by Michael Gallimore on Jul 23, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions

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