Simon Gagne Trade to Tampa Sparks New Rivalry
I know, this reaction Simon Gagne's move to Tampa is coming at the tail end of a busy week, when the trade is practically old news. We have, after all, been discussing this for weeks. But while we're all wrapped up in delirium about Gagne-in-Tampa, it might be wise to consider the alternate perspective on the matter.
Now, it's obviously a good thing. Gagne, despite his injury, holds immense potential for Tampa Bay: a seasoned veteran; a catalyst for Martin St. Louis and Vincent Lecavalier; and even an economic boost for Tampa's lethargic fan base (Gagne's a legend, and Florida is filled with snowbirds).
But let's not lose perspective here. Up north something different is going on: First, they were stunned. Now, they're mad.
On Monday, the day the news broke, Flyers Goals Scored By offered this:
Today was a watershed moment for the future of the Flyers franchise. Today, the Philadelphia Flyers traded away their longest tenured star. A kid they drafted and kept for ten full hockey years, which in this day and age is something to be amazed at. A billable star who filled seats, sold merch and seemed like the nicest dude this side of the Schuylkill. Simon Gagne is now a member of the Tampa Bay Lightning and his time as a Flyer is over.
This week we've watched Monday's "watershed moment" develop into a melting pot of anger towards Tampa Bay, Matt Walker, and Paul Holmgren. We thought a couple of nasty fights with the Washington Capitals would do us in for a nice rivalry, but this could be better yet.
To rub salt in the wound, Simon Gagne was traded for Matt Walker and a fourth round draft pick. Matt Walker. It's hard to determine whether we're happier about gaining Simon Gagne or losing Matt Walker. Sure, Matt Walker is an intimidating defenseman who plays it safe and solid, but safe and solid just didn't for the Tampa Bay Lightning last season.
(Well, a lot of things didn't work last season, but I digress...).
But speaking of new rivalries and arch-enemies, as Simon Gagne is a beloved guy, Flyer's fans may find it more appropriate to take out their anger on General Manager Paul Holmgren. Holmgren's oversight in spending and managing the team's salary cap marks the game for what it is: a business. At the end of the day, the general ledger shows that Simon Gagne is just another name attached to a expensive price.
Business or not, one fan shows more despondency on the matter:
Unfortunately, Paul Holmgren decided not to look at his tremendous skills, never say die attitude and leadership in the locker room, but the injury and salary factors. We all know Gagne would've taken a pay cut next year to stay in Philadelphia, and would've have performed great this season if given the chance. Now we have to watch our beloved Flyer walk away and play phenomenal somewhere else. (Broad Street Hockey)
(I also got a kick out of this kid's take on Palmgren)
Gagne, regardless of the unfortunate (or fortunate, depending) financial circumstances, makes his endearment to the Flyer's community crystal clear:
"I think the thing I will miss the most are the Flyers fans," Gagne said. "All the support I got there for the 10 years that I played, even during the tough times when I had some injuries, the fans were really fair with me the whole time. There were a lot of No. 12 jerseys in the stands even when I started with the team in 1999. To them, I would just like to say a huge thank you." (Philadelphia Inquirer)
So, with Gagne gone south, with the iconic legend, the Flyers' heart and soul, dismembered from his adoring team, have we destroyed the Flyers? Or have we, instead, unleashed a rival monster? A monster who will be fueled with vengeance in the coming season?
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Good offseason post lol
But nah unless gagne wins the hart and scores 50 i dont think front office moves are really gonna start a hatred maybe throw a lil fuel on the fire or if mez starts to suck…ono wait he already does…. :)
by dgsportsfanatic on Jul 22, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
Rivalry
Hey Bud,
Here’s a newsflash for you. Game 7 2004 Eastern Conference Finals. The rivalry already exists. Then we dominated them for the next 2 seasons after the lockout.
Touche.
But why stop there? 1996 Eastern Conference Quarterfinals, man. I was 13. I was elated after the Bolts took a 2-1 series and lead and CRUSHED when the series finally ended.
So, yeah, perhaps a more appropriate title would have been Simon Gagne Trade to Tampa Rekindles Dormant Rivalry but it was still a great read. Thanks, Meredith!
by Michael Gallimore on Jul 23, 2010 12:31 AM EDT reply actions
There's also the extra dynamic provided by the football rivalry.
Consider the great Buccaneer teams beginning in the late 90s and and their seemingly annual showdowns with the Eagles in the early 2000s. I will always cherish my memories of how the Bucs closed out Veterans Stadium (27-10 victory for a berth in the Super Bowl) and spoiled the Eagles first game at Lincoln Financial Field the following season (17-0 victory).
by Michael Gallimore on Jul 23, 2010 12:42 AM EDT reply actions
There’s a general rivalry — at least from the Tampa perspective — with Philly. Watching the reaction from Philly fans regarding the Gagne trade, I don’t see it as mutual.
"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.
by John Fontana on Jul 23, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You're probably right.
As a Tampa sports fan, Philly teams can’t help but seem like rivals after a decade with multiple Bucs-Eages NFC Championship games, a Rays-Phillies World Series and a Lightning-Flyers Eastern Conference Finals.
Whatever the case, it sure feels like there’s a rivalry when Flyers fans are in town or, better yet, pull their sweaters out of the closet. ;-)
by Michael Gallimore on Jul 23, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Correction
Eastern Conference Final
by Michael Gallimore on Jul 23, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
There was only one NFC c hampionship game between teh Bucs/Eagles… Though there were multiple playoff games…
"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.
by John Fontana on Jul 23, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
2002 season NFC Championship. The Bucs only reached the NFC Championship one other time in recent-past history: 1999 season. Faced the Rams (January 2000)
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"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.
by John Fontana on Jul 23, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
I’m 100% a Flyers fan first and foremost, but going to Tampa, I wish Gags nothing but success. Yeah 2004 hurt, but otherwise I don’t hate Tampa. You guys don’t even come close to reaching the levels of the Rags, Devils or Pens in terms of hatred. So if Gags nets 40, and Tampa makes the playoffs and has a decent run (as long as they never play the Flyers, I couldn’t stand a long playoff series against Gagne), I would be fairly happy.
You’re right on one aspect though, Paul Holmgren……….
Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 23, 2010 6:05 AM EDT reply actions
I suppose I’m more vengeful than other fans.
If Vinny LeCavalier, or if Marty St. Louis was traded for a Matt Walker, I’d be angry, and it would give me a pretty decent reason to be irritated by whatever team they were traded to. That was the underlying thought here. Just brainstorming a bit and thinking about how the Gagne trade could affect the fanbases.
by Meredith Qualls on Jul 23, 2010 7:24 AM EDT reply actions
And the thing is, when you see certain team fans PROPOSE trades for blockbuster stars, it’s generally perceived as an insult when spare players are the guys offered for other teams superstars.
It’s an insult for the Flyers to lose Gagne for spare players. Their cap situation dictated it though.
"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.
by John Fontana on Jul 23, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Really, Holmgren dictated it. We could’ve avoided all of this is we paid our 5th defender with 5th defender money, not Meszaros money. The more I think about it, the more I think Homer wanted Gagne out.
Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know IPoL… I know… Ad it’s crap. It’s hard not to feel for the Flyers on this one…
"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.
by John Fontana on Jul 24, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Offseason
For Flyer fans, I think it’s best this happened in the offseason. I was there for the game after Richards was traded to Dallas. It felt like a funeral, and not a hockey game. I hated to lose Brad, but at his salary it was not feasible to keep him and Vinny and Marty. Had Feaster and the Bolts not won a cup, I would’ve hated Jay after the trade.
I love both teams so it will be impossible for me to talk about any kind of rivalry. But even if I hated the Flyers, I don’t see it possible in any way that there will be a true rivalry between these two teams. There’s really no reason for Flyers fans to hate the Bolts. It wasn’t them who initiated the trade. It was the Flyers GM, Paul Holmgren, who first let know he’s going to move Gagne. So if there is hatred, then it’s solely towards Holmgren. The only reason for the Flyers fans to not like (or in some cases even hate) the Lightning is the ‘04 playoffs. Or some claim that they can’t stand the team because of the poor fanbase and the fact it’s a team located in Florida. That’s all. And I believe it will remain like that. Plus, from what I’ve read and heard, some Flyers fans are even jumping on the Lightning bandwagon, wishing our team and Simon the best, cheering for us. Which is total opposite of any kind of suggested rivalry.
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
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The kid in the video made a comment in reply to a Lightning, who wasn’t being a jerk, that was basically “Well you guys won’t make the playoffs next season!!!” That’s the most underated part of this trade…listening to some Philly fans resort to the lowest common denominator.
Well I hope the Lightning make the playoffs. Rather, I hope Gags makes the playoffs. Just so long as they don’t play the Flyers, that would be painful.
Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger; Briere, Betts and Pronger;
Our team is so much stronger
We've got Briere, Betts and Pronger...
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jul 23, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions

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