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Tuesday night link dump and open thread

Before we begin, major thanks are due to the Raw Charge staff. I'm not the only one contributing links to these stories, it's an accumulation of findings from around the net by Cassie McClellan, Meredith Qualls, Nolan Whyte, Dani Toth, Tina Robinson, and myself.

The byline of this (and other link dump/open thread posts) may read "John Fontana", but there are more people involved in making these things happen than myself.

Lightning links

  • Before there was the 'Bulin Wall, the netminder of note in Lightning history was #93 Darren Puppa. The Lightning catch up with him in their interview series "Bolt From the Blue" [Tampa Bay Lightning]
  • Don't Trade Vinny looks back at the summer of 2004 and what players did on their day with the Stanley Cup [Don't Trade Vinny]
  • Jon Jordan provides the Lightning inspired "Mount Puckmore": the four faces of the Tampa Bay Lightning franchise [Puck Daddy]
  • If you expected Steve Downie signed by now... Yeah, us too. David Strehle takes a look at the situation [Bolts On Ice]
  • Tomas Kaberle rumors have been out there for a while... And by a while I mean since Summer 2009. Mike Corcoran asks if Kaberle would be a fit for the Lightning [Creative Loafing]
  • Brock Beukeboom reveled in his opportunity to participate in the Canadian National Team's camp in St. John's. [NHL.com]
  • Lightning owner Jeffrey Vinik is now part of the Tampa Bay community for real. He's purchased a Palma Ceia home [Tampa Bay Business Journal]

  • Steve Yzerman and Julien BriseBois are all business regarding improving the Bolts minor league affiliate, teh Norfolk Admirals. Ads fans need to realize this [Norfolk Admirals- My Thoughts ]

Star-divide

Hockey links

  • You're a fan... You're tired of the waiting game that is Summer and want some hockey... NOW. Paul Kukla feels your pain, and yours, and yours, and yours... [NHL.com]
  • The Nashville Predators have announced changes in the executive suit for the club -- including the addition of Lightning COO Sean Henry as team president. [On The Forecheck]
  • The United States of Hockey...  I like the sound of that.  This map, on the other hand, that Peter Evans came across?  I am not nearly a fan of.  [Hoosier Hockey]
  • Peter Forsberg has dreams of once again lacing them up and playing. Mike Chen tries to talk him out of it. It's time, it's over... [From The Rink]
  • It's significant! It's news! It's... still a week away. It's the 2010-11 NHL TV schedule! [Puck the Media]
  • On the heels of the Ilya Kovalchuk contract being voided, more contracts are set to be challenged by the league [Hockey Plumber]
  • I usually throw my hands up in disgust when I read stupid trade rumors. Quisp, on the other hand, made a post about it -- reveling in the stupidity. [Jewels From The Crown]

General links

  • Washington Capitals owner Ted Leonis offers advice to pro sport personalities with the use of electronic communication and social networks. [Ted's Take]
  • So how do baseball trades work after the Trade Deadline? July 31st does not mean players still cannot be dealt - but it gets more complicated after the Deadline passes. Buc Wild explains it in a FanPost [DraysBay]
  • The catwalks at Tropicana Field came under scrutiny this week... Gregg Burrage takes a look at reactions -- immediate and after a night's rest. [SB Nation Tampa Bay]
  • Numbers that contradict the notion Tampa Bay does not support he Rays: TV numbers are up, up, up. [DraysBay]
  • Tampa Bay Buccaneer training camps are among the hottest in the NFL... We don't mean that as an attractive. [SB Nation Tampa Bay]
  • There's still time to vote in the Creative Loafing Best Of the Bay poll! [Creative Loafing]

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Good evening, and welcome to our lovely open thread. Drink? Hors d’Oeuvre? Anything? Hello?

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Want some garlic bread?

In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly

by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 10, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oooh. Maybe. That does sound pretty good right, now that you’ve mentioned it.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey hey.

DTV is here. And having a great day.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Back again for more abuse…I mean…fun, huh? ;o)

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve had a hell of a day. Had my two most retweeted tweets today, as well as a mention from Wyshynski.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah? What’d Wysh have to say? I missed that.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just pimped my Down Goes Charlie Brown tweet.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet. Good for you. Wysh is a good guy, particularly considering how much crap he gets thrown at him on the website of his on a daily basis.

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like him. Just wish he’d discover me already, lol.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most of the crap gets thrown towards Lambert anyways.

In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly

by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 10, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but they all see their fair share.

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then again, you have people who literally worship the ground they walk on.

In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly

by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 10, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. It’s like a badge of honor to be mentioned in Puck Daddy’s daily links. I find that entertaining, really – in a sad sort of way.

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, I haven’t written any important articles yet. Most of them are just news and stuff.

In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly

by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 10, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get my stuff thrown up there pretty regularly. Why, I don’t know. They just like me, I guess. That, and there are few Lightning writers to go around, as compared to the rest of the teams in the NHL.

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that. That was awesome. He had nothing better. Epic RT! I don’t think I’ve ever gotten him to REPLY to something I tweet to him, let alone pick up on something I say.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was stoked.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s never replied to any of my tweets, and I’ve met him in person twice. He even gave me an unsolicited hug on my way out the last time. So don’t feel bad.

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

DTV’s Back? YEAAAAHHHHH

In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly

by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 10, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rock on

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

So shall we discuss the death, destruction, and despair that we all face because of the ill-fated Kovalchuk contract annulment?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s no fair to the players! The contract was signed! It’s valid! Just because it’s so long doesn’t mean it shouldn’t count! Onwers are EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL! Evil even! No fair!

rollign my eyes

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

rolling even

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to deal with more Kovalchuk news… ugh…

In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly

by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 10, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if you’re really lucky, he’ll sign elsewhere and then Lou can pitch a fit. How about that?

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If by pitch a fit, you mean pitch a jar.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That, too.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or 10

In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly

by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 10, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine if Kovalchuk ends up with the Kings? Wow. I wouldn’t want to meet Lou in a brightly lit place when he was in a good mood – I can’t even imagine him in a thunderous rage. I really wonder if Lou can sue the league for fraud over that.

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that happens me and John (Fischer) have our work cut out trying to deal with angry and/or crazed Devils fans.

In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly

by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 10, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, if you can’t beat them, join them.

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It won’t be hard. It’s easy to ban people for not following the rules.

Also, Lou is actually quite a pleasant fellow. Except when it comes to business. There, he does not mess around.

Devils in my heart! Devils in my mind! Devils in my eyes! Devils until I die!
In Lou We Trust - The New Jersey Devils SBN Blog

by John Fischer on Aug 10, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, thanks again John.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

De nada, hombre. Though I wish you could have gone with my LOTR’s write up for Andreychuk/Taylor. ;-)

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, see. I’m not a LOTR fan… so, I missed the connection there. My bad.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just loved the movies… I ought to post it here — just to put up the funny.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, by all means.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't Trade Vinny's "Day With The Cup" post

I had a few ideas that I threw out at random… Just riffing to get his mind going… But these I I wrote and were rather proud of…

Dave Andreychuk, having finally reached the apex of the mountain after
a 22 year attempt, tried to toss the Stanley Cup into the firey pits
of Mount Doom from whence it was forged, in order to destroy it and
prevent others from suffering the Cup’s elusiveness ever again.

Tim Taylor stopped him — preventing the Cup’s destruction — claimed
it as his own, and then vanished into thin air. He spent HIS day with
the Cup celebrating among the halfings in the Shire (picture of St.
Louis and Perrin appropriate here).

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s so bad!

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

But in a good way, of course. :oD

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also said Perrin/St. Louis used the Cup as a booster seat at a grown-up restaurant.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

They aren’t the Montréal Canadiens, John. ;o)

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right…

…they are smaller. :-D

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, by the way, everyone hit the F5 button on their keyboards.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I see you hid something, John. ;o)

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who, me?

Why yes, yes I did…

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m missing it. What did you hide?

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just my first comment on this thread – nothing big. :o)

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a Lightning site, so I guess we can talk Lightning news, right? How about that new coach in Norfolk, huh?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

First time a USHL coach has made the jump from teh USHL to the AHL directly.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s pretty crazy. Tho it shows that the USHL is starting to become a legit league. And that’s a good thing.

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

But here is another story — he wasn’t Yzerman/BriseBois first choice. Stevie Y can be denied.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Lord. Who was his first choice? Darth Sideous?

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pascal Vincent of the Quebec Juniors.

And with Vincent’s remarks on a radio interview, he did come off like a prick. The Ads would be better under a “more flamboyant” coach. WTF?

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, flamboyant and hockey usually don’t collide in the same sentence.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless we are talking Don Cherry’s suits

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That goes without saying.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Rick Tocchet’s coloring books.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s more messy than Flamboyant though

In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly

by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 10, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That guy in the Montreal system was first, right? What’s up with the French Canadians, anyways? I mean, I’m not against that – I used to speak French after all – but it’s interesting how a BC boy like Yzerman is ending up surrounded by Québécois.

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was a Q coach. Quebec Juniors. Franco-phone. I think it’s just going with someone you know in BriseBois case, trying to hire the guy. More clear communications in two languages?

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right in line with everything. Younger, first timer. Great reputation at lower levels.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, and if anyone messes with him — he’ll sue.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, did I miss something else?

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lawyer. In fact he had a practice up until 2003 before he went into coac hing.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have training camp locations come out? Or did that happen while I wasn’t paying any attention?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

They’ve come out at random.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Caps haven’t released theirs yet. :o(

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d think it’d be at their normal facility. It’s TIMES that you have to wonder about.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

So long as it’s in at Kettler in Arlington, that’s all I care about. I can always find out times. That’s not a problem. I just want my hockey fix!

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think anything will come of the contracts that are being looked at in light of “The Decision 2:NHL Style”?

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

If more contracts get nullified, I am fine with it. Let me jsut say that.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It should be the same for everyone. If the Kovalchuk contract is null and void, then similar ones ought to be, too. Cherry picking at this point would make the league look even worse.

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not even concerned if Vinny’s contract was nullfied. He wants to be in Tampa. It’s just an issue of working a new deal. Instead of 11 years, make it four.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone else think that if Vinny’s contract gets voided, and reworked on Stevie’s watch that it could be good for us?

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably. It could mean keeping both Stamkos and Vinny when Stamkos’s contract is up. Depending on contract demands, of course.

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teams get fined at the most.

In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly

by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 10, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of a slow thread tonight, huh?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

JINX

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not a jinx! You take that back! :oÞ

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed. Funny thing about August.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

There seems to e a lag tonight — or a lot of quiet.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it’s just quiet. There’s not much going on when there’s 4 people here

In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly

by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 10, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t there a soccer game going on tonight? US vs Brazil or something?

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s probably it. For sure Burton’s watching that game.

In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly

by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 10, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, there’s one gone. Where everyone else? Tina’s usually a party all by herself, but that party’s gone elsewhere. So selfish!

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s an episode of Cops actually.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m the only TB resident in here (well, unless you are a lurker). I’d appreciate votes in teh Best O the Bay awards / poll for best blogger. Of course you can also vote for best athletes for TB teams.

It’s VERY Tampa Bay centric, so out-of-market people shouldn’t vote. But local people? Vote… And if you don’t vote for me, at least vote for @ClarkBrooks best TB Twitter personality.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

BTW — you can vote here: http://www.botbvote.com

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

/shameless plug.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming…. ;o)

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

My regularly scheduled programming is also a shameless plug.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

For shame!

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes you shameless. You DO put up with me after all.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys done yet? :-P

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I am good. As long as you voted…

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummmm…not in Tampa….

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Done with what? Are you waiting your turn with John or something? ;o)

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

#DTVDateWatch

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No comment.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

DTV — how’s the weather in St. Louis?

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

HOT. 115 after the index today.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh joy, and I thought it gets bad here. We only get maybe 110 after the index… We’ve had a good amount of cloud cover lately, so that keeps it cooler.. But it’s steamy outside.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is our fifth week so far this summer where temperatures have reached 100 before the index for more than one day in a row. I’m ready for winter, and not just for hockey.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And do you know The Trolley Song?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry. I couldn’t resist. It was a popular song from the 1940s musical Meet Me in St. Louis. When John asked that, the movie popped into my head. :o)

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

And your point is…?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greetings from the great northwest….or southwest, depending which side of the border you’re on.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey hey Smo, how goes?

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good, my Floridian friend. Good luck in that best of TB thingy.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. If I get more than a single vote, I will be thrilled.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since Vancouver has more in common with Seattle than anywhere else, I consider it part of the Northwest. :o)

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I’m in the SW corner of Canada, hence my border reference.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. The Sunshine Coast and all of that. It just seems odd to refer to it as the southwest, tho that is obviously accurate.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the Sunshine Coast has been far from that the past couple of days.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw some pictures of the Olympics the other day, and there is still a lot of snow in the mountains for this time of year. But at least you don’t have to worry about drought. So that’s something.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell that to my lawn. Two days of rain and it’s still bone dry. It was like cutting really short hay.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that’s just how it is, tho. Green lawn in winter, brown and dry in the summer. Anything else just wouldn’t be right.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually you’re still northwest to me.

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 10, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Michael, it goes well. How are you?

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm good.

Just catching up on what’s been discussed so far.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Normal inanities. Like usual :)

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worthwhile, though.

I see the speculation about the NHL revisiting already registered contracts (i.e. Lecavalier’s) already came up.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s worth it to still comment on that stuff. I don’t think we really settled on the point…

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I know my Twitter has been all abuzz with this

But I just don’t see how the league can justify retroactively nullifying contracts that were previously approved. I just don’t see it happening. Would be too messy.

Somebody said teams could be fined. I think that’s more likely, but I’m not even sold that will happen.

I think most of this talk is baseless speculation. Then again, I have no sources and have to rely on what makes sense to me.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to reopen that, start a new conversation down at the bottom. I hate running out of room and the text getting all squished.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So many rules… ;)

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s just a visual preference, that’s all. It’s not really a rule. More like a guideline. :oD

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, you’re right. Too many replies and everything gets scrunched. Who knows who’s replying to who?

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have people! I guess 8:30 pm is the magical time, huh?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And John reposting the link on Twitter…

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sneaky!

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just got in from mowing my lawn. I need some hockey chatter to unwind.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are your thoughts on the Luongo deal possibly getting thrown out?

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people seem to think it would give the ‘Nucks some cap relief. Personally, although it doesn’t kick in until the start of the season, I believe it’s already been vetted by the league, so how can they go back and say nonono…? Will they do it to Savard, Hossa, DiPietro, even? They’re opening a big can of worms, imo.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s a can of worms that need to be opened. Lax regulation of contracts in the past is just as detrimental to people deliberately circumventing the cap.

And the League is known for being brian dead when it comes to regulating things — be it on ice officials, or how they hand out suspensions — a lack of consistency.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who’s brian.

Sorry, I couldn’t let that one go by.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I deserved it :-) Type too fast, copy edit too little.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, is that a murder confession? Brian dead? ;o)

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Start messing with the CBA before it expires and we can start talking about lockout/strike again.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what everyone keeps saying in regards to this decision, like it’s a sign of the hockey apocalypse.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

One more season of no hockey would be the death knell for some franchises, no?

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, almost certainly. But there’s no guarantee that there’d a be a lockout. And even if there were, there’s no guarantee that it’d last an entire season. People are just throwing out worst-case scenarios as if they’re written in stone. However, even stones can be broken.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d still prefer the league to say ‘Our bad’, and get rid of that glaring loophole through the next set of negotiations.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what Mirtle keeps saying.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me, yeah.

Put my SUV up for sale on Craigslist and FB before making dinner for the gf after a long day at a training.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Kaberle

Has Corcoran’s article been discussed?

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

No, it has a no discussion clause.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn. Next topic then?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

I’m against the notion.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaberle, not discussing the rumors :-p

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good.

I was thinking it was at least worth discussing.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

There have been rumors about Kabrle to TB since last summer. I don’t feel like it’s a fit. I knowsome people want the Bolts to go all in NOW… But it just feels wrong… You can’t expect another Gagne type robbery here. Not when dealing with the robber of note in Burke.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just going to ask how Kaberle would fit. I don’t know much about the Lightning, other than Vinny, St. Louis, Stamkos and Downie.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would be a welcome addition, but too rich for Stevie’s blood. Especially if somehow Ranger returns. Ranger is essentially from the same school as Kaberle/Boyle.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ranger?

Might as well forget about him until we hear otherwise. Seriously. I was a huge fan of his (heck, I wear #54 on the ice) and would welcome him back, but there’s NO REASON, at this point, to believe he’ll be back. Ever.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree here. Even if Ranger announced tomorrow he is coming back for next season… I pencil him into a minor league spot if anywhere. He hasn’t played in a season and a half. Not consistently… He has to earn his way back. Not be given a slot because he’s Paul ranger

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Notice the ‘somehow’ in my original comment. ;-)

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Lightning seem to have loads of cap space. 4 mil wouldn’t throw everything out of whack that much, would it?

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but Malone, prospect, first round pick leaving to get him sure would.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch. That does seem too high a price.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

The ONLY way that moving Malone would make sense is if Yzerman and Boucher like what they saw from Ashton in early July and were convinced he was ready for the big show and were willing to let him battle Purcell all season long for a place alongside Vinny.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burke will be lucky to walk away with a truculent top-six winger let alone a first-round pick.

Highly doubt Yzerman would have to pay so much, let alone be willing to give that.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unlike John, I think Kaberle would “fit” in the sense that he would give us the best puck-moving option since Boyle. If healthy, you have to believe he’d put up nice numbers.

That said, he’s not a fit in the sense that he’d be taking away significant minutes from either Hedman or Lundin. Probably Lunding. Without Kaberle, Lundin would appear set to continue logging significant minutes. Thus, Kaberle could hurt his development.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, mixed feelings.

Probably could say I’m opposed to the idea but would understand if Yzerman decided to pull the trigger.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Kaberle comes in, then I think Ohlund is the odd-man out.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clarify.

You think he moves to bottom pairing or is shopped?

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Kaberle changes the whole chemistry of the group. Ohlund is a stay-at-home defenseman. He’d have no place in that group. Having Kaberle there would shift the entire balance to puck-moving defensemen.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again

do you think he’d be moved to the bottom-6 or shopped?

I really don’t see him as a viable trade candidate. Not with that contract and the current market.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he still has a lot to offer a team – including the Lightning. I’d have to take a wait-and-see position on that. I’d like to see how the defense pans out first.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I really would not like to see Ohlund’s role diminished. I’m actually hoping he and Hedman are able to utilize their offensive capabilities under Boucher.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

I find myself with mixed feelings on the thought.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s his cap hit?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ONLY way I see Kaberle coming to Tampa is if Malone is involved in the deal.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any thoughts about the defense?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Improved, but still a liability. Kind of like AT&T’s cell phone service.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wins championships, or so they say… ;-)

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

They also say goaltending wins you championships – and see how the Finals turned out?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s a goaltending?

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does the phrase “Bulin Wall” mean anything to you?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was that Cup win actually 6 years ago? Holy Chris Dingman!

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait – Dingman is holy? When did that happen? And Robin, why are you wearing that tutu?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to see the performance of the squad under Boucher before I pass any judgements. With how dysfunctional coaching has been — it’s hard to assess talent when talent has been poorly coached.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gee, tell us how you really feel there, Matt. It is Matt, right?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good. I remembered correctly then. :o)

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed,

If you prefer, you can also call me Don’t. That’s what Facebook does.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a personal problem to me. Maybe you ought to be nicer to Facebook. Either that, or it knows you too well.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, usually I’m told ‘Do’…

Okay, I’m done.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who thought paying Ohlund that much money to be Hedman’s BFF would be a good idea. Don’t like to dis ex-Canucks, but that wage seems a tad generous.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dumbass – noun. A person displaying poor judgement or extreme stupidity. See also Brian Lawton.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has anybody seen Brian Lawton since?

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Presumably, his hair dresser.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bazinga!

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

$4.25Mil

Hi all! Although we need help moving the puck, we need help in our own end too. Kabs won’t be making many plays in the corner. Plus with Lundin and Clark, you suddenly have 3 undersized defensemen, who handle the puck from decent to well, but none of them is going to throw a scare into the opposition.

Don in St Pete

by Don in St Pete on Aug 10, 2010 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

He Don, nice of you to drop in!

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points, Don

Definitely worth mentioning, but I think acquiring Kaberle would signal totally banking on Boucher’s swarm philosophy in both zones, emphasizing numbers and positioning. Physicality nice but not requisite. Would that work? Well, like John said, that remains to be seen.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with John

There was no system last year, or at least none discernible. What bothered me the most was we consistently gave up the blueline without a fight on even man rushes. Smaby was so good at the end of 09’ in meeting the rush at or above the blueline. They abandoned that totally last year allowing easy access to our zone.

Don in St Pete

by Don in St Pete on Aug 10, 2010 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Cassie brought up repeatedly the fact the team didn’t stand up at the blue-line during games last season.

The new system is supposed to be Go-go-go, I don’t even know how it will stand up and challenge people. or will it just avoid people?

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, people seem to be talking about me a lot lately as if I weren’t here. I don’t mind since it’s all nice stuff. But I do find it odd.

Sorry – idle thought. Continue….

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should I have just waited for you to reply or waited for you to not reply a little longer?

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beer.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seem to remember Cassie thinking it was odd when we talk about her. I don’t know, could be wrong.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cassie thinks a lot of things are odd. …

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s because I’m odd. Hello? Haven’t you all figured this out yet? Seriously!

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beer.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I’ll take the beer.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Copycat.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohlund is damaged goods

OK made a huge mistake in not getting Ohlund checked out thoroughly. He has a Forsberg type injury and might never be the same. I loved Ohlund with Vancouver, but when a guy average 9 goals a season then only logs 11 assists and 0 goals, you know you’ve got problems.

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by Don in St Pete on Aug 10, 2010 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Not every defenseman is a goal scorer. And, Forsberg’s “injury” is actually a congenital defect – it’s a mild variation of having a club foot – so it’s not the same thing at all. Having said that, while Ohlund may be in on the downside of his career, he’s still a damned good defenseman.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

A little overpriced to be a shutdown guy, isn’t he? Or is that not his role?

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I don’t think he’s been the same since his eye injury.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think last season he started to get back into his previous form, but again, they’ve had some questionable coaching.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boucher does strike me as an xs and os kind of coach.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I agree that he’s overpaid. But then, half of the league is. Certainly a number of Lightning players are. But he’s still an effective defenseman.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone signed to a contract by Brian Lawton is overpaid.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

I thought, all things considered, Ohlund had a “safe” season. He wasn’t spectacular, but he really wasn’t a liability on the ice at any point last season.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. It wasn’t his best season, but it also wasn’t an awful one for him, either. You also have to remember that he came to a brand new team that was in the middle of some turmoil. He was in Vancouver for 11 years, and he moved out of his comfort zone completely. So that affected his play as well, I’m sure.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Possible, but careful:

It didn’t help that Ohlund a) missed games due to injury and b) saw almost no power play time all season. His shot total (71), aside from a 42 game 99-00 season, was the lowest in his career and about half of the average of his previous five seasons.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The system could work

Or it could get ugly. Think 2008-09’ Bolts. If they employ Boucher system it requires a quicker d-man to assist the 3 forwards in forechecking leaving the stay at home guy to play free-safety essentially. The 3 quicker guys currently would be Clark, Lundin and Lashoff, though Hedman has reasonable speed for his size. The problem is when they do break the full court press you have an odd man break and may have to count heavily on the goalie to bail you out.

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by Don in St Pete on Aug 10, 2010 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I would compare that to 2005-06 thru 2007-08. After the Cup win, I thought that was a constant flaw that was exploited under Torts system — the odd man rush and the one-on-one with goaltending

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remind me what Boucher’s system is, if you please?

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was funny anyway.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was the LAST system employed by the Bolts. Which was not funny :-p :-)

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t talking about Free Agency strategy. ;-)

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was the defensive strategy too, didn’t you hear?

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love throwing things out there and watching people run with them.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? I thought the defensive strategy last year was the same as the Castle Guards in Monty Python’s Holy Grail.

“…hey..”

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Second Monty Python reference for me tonight. And coming from the general direction of SB Nation, too. I wonder what’s up with that.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes!

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

A variation of the 1-3-1 system.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strangely, that is true enough.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I repeat Ohlund averaged 9 goals a season, before last year

He hurt his ankle blocking a shot in the 6th game of the 08-09’ semifinals. Still he was the Nucks go to guy and despite having Mitchell and Salo, lead them in Ice time during the playoffs. If Ohlund is healthy our d will be fine this year.

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by Don in St Pete on Aug 10, 2010 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I think our D is going to need more than a healthy Ohlund (i.e. growth from Hedman, no regression by Lundin, Clark and Kubina to do their magic in the shot-blocking department, etc.), but…yeah.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone see Fat Tony’s Eastern Conference Power Rankings here at Raw Charge?

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the Flyers are ranked way too high.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Self-described, so you’d have to ask him about that.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Under Torts

That is what lead to Torts downfall. Despite lacking the talent to play that attacking style, he rammed it down the players throats, much like Tocc tried to make everyone a mucker and grinder. I think Boucher is smart enough to find a happy medium and employ the talent where it’s most effective.

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by Don in St Pete on Aug 10, 2010 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree here. Boucher is supposed to cater to players, and tailor the system to the talent. No tailor the talent to the system.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Torts coached hockey like a football coach – his way or the highway. Which goes over fairly well with most players, except for Canadians, for some reason. But it’s a style that wears down on a lot of people fast.

What I like about Boucher is that masters in sports psychology that he has. :o)

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d just like to remind everyone that I’m generally here for comedic relief. Seems that memo may not be totally clear…

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

We’re all laughing on the inside. :o)

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m generally laughing at times on the outside too.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well…me, too. But I wasn’t going to say that. Shhh!

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

POST PROOF OR RETRACT!!! :-)

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

TOUCHé

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yet another shameless plug! What’s up with this? Have we turned into Twitter?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Social Media is everywhere. Just ask Chari_S.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cassie’s been complaining a lot about people talking about her and self promotion tonight, hasn’t she?

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Quite..."

(There’s a third MP quote for you, Cass.)

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

… to you, too.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

You say that like it means something.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pictures or it didn’t happen?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Lightning have seemed to be in the news on a weekly basis...

I’m going to go ahead and predict Downie’s re-signing is announced this week.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Lot of news at the front end of this week. If a contrat gets done, look for it Friday. If not this week, then next.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I’m going to go ahead and say: Oooh. Good call.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 yrs, 6mil? Bonuses for GP, All-Star appearances, and suspensions avoided.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's a fair guess.

I could even see upwards of 4 years, 10 mil.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not much left on Yzerman’s “must-do” docket at this point.

Downie should be more of a priority than Stammer’s extension at this point.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fat Tony isn't far off

I expect the Bolts to be in the playoff mix. How long will it take Flyer fans to pine for Krajicek and Parent after they get an eyeful of Mez? I like Mez and Walker but they both performed like 6-7 d as did almost everyone else last season. They may be better without Tocc’s “system” or lack thereof.

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by Don in St Pete on Aug 10, 2010 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe it’ll work out for them. Stranger things have happened. They could play better because of the Fear of Pronger being instilled in them.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their goaltending is still a big ?

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said in comments on his post, it’s Carolina and where he ranked them that stood out for me. Carolina came on like no one else at the end of the season. They wer ea LOT etter than the horrible start of the season let on. I think they will be in the mix…

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Played better because the pressure was off? That, and I think Cam Ward is over-rated.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much for Downs?

Any predictions for term and cap hit?

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by Don in St Pete on Aug 10, 2010 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

This is his second pro contract? They need to properly work him into a price structure — sorta like Feaster did when he re-signed Craig and Ranger in 2006… The numbers have GOT to work and not come off outlandish. He’s a one-hit-wonder right now with something to prove (that it was not a fluke season)

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will Yzerman be tempted to buy out a couple UFA years on the relative cheap? Will Downie’s agent even consider the tradeoff (given the looming CBA confrontation) or insist on a short-term deal?

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The next question is, will Boucher et al. be able to keep Downie focused like Tocchet did?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Team influence matters too. He was beign groomed by Marty as much as it appeared he was being taught by Tocc.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw Vinny talk him down off the ledge a few times during games as well.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s my boy. #mancrush

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who doesn’t have a crush on Vinny? That’s what I want to know. I think he’s universally adored at this point.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, there are still a TON of Vinny haters out there. Just read any Damien Cristeaneadaeadeadadero’s articles. Even if it’s about the new ice surface at the Forum. Someone will say.. “Alright! We got rid of the bad ice, let’s get rid of the bad Vinny!”

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

They like him, it’s just that they feel he’s not living up to his potential. It’s a case of too-high expectations. The guy’s only human, after all.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Routine in the TB sports world… and all sports for that matter.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

True. But the better the player, the more extreme it tends to be. In this, he reminds me of Griffey.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think about what STAMKOS is in for.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still waiting to see if he can play as well this season under a different coach as he did last season.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is part of my point. If he struggles, he’s going to be attacked either this season or next.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stamkos didn’t get compared to (insert random basketball star here).

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but he did get a multi-million dollar advertising promotion similar to that of a crappy horror film series before he was even technically on our team.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t even think of that.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, he jsut scored 51 goals in his second season. What happens when he only scores 30 this season? Or less becasue of one issue or another?

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teemu Selanne.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fans politely cheer and say ‘rally ’round, lads, rally ’round’.

Yeah, I didn’t think so, either.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He must have some flaw, some weakness. Perhaps you folks are too close to him?

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I could give you a psychological profile on the guy, if you want. He’s not perfect, that’s for sure. And there are parts of his game that could use some work. But overall, he’s very admired by most of the hockey community.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haven’t his numbers diminished over the last couple of seasons? Or is that symptomatic of the general play of the team? Or maybe he should just get rid of Beliveau’s number.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wears #4 for his dad – who’s a big Bobby Orr fan – not for Beliveau. But, living in Montreal, one must appease the Montreallers. He lives there in the offseason, after all.

He was injured a couple of years ago – major shoulder surgery. Then wrist surgery last summer. So He’s had injuries to overcome. And he didn’t have regular linemates during games since Tocchet would switch things up ever other shift – which is almost no exaggeration. I think he’ll do a lot better this coming season.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the correction, Cassie. I thought the 4 was for Beliveau.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vinny’s dad’s a Boston fan, and he grew up a Detroit fan.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s human, yes, but he’s worth being generally revered.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve preemptively given my gf complete absolution and approval if she is ever seduced by Vinny.

TMI?

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as you didn’t give that to yourself, I think you’re good.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

speaking of on fire tonight…

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m staying out of this conversation.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

I asked for the same deal with Megan Fox. She laughed at me.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not fair.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, to be fair, the whole Vinny thing was my suggestion and way of jokingly saying if she was ever to have a bastard child, at least give him NHL genes.

She’s likes Lecavalier as a player but does not talk about him in “that” way. Edward Cullen guy, however…

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cullen? Yuck. I find him slightly repulsive.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Try Kathy Griffin.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good God. You’re on fire tonight. Like Joan of Arc.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Qui, moi?

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactement!

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh, fire’s cool…

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Downie’s not a teammate fighting loose cannon anymore?

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last season he wasn’t. When he first got to Tampa… Hoo boy, he was.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a pretty quiet season doing what he was supposed to do – and not a lot of what he wasn’t.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d read that he had gotten his act together, for the most part. A little maturation goes a long way.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t be sure, of course, but I would think Boucher’s psychology background should give him a fair shot at the task.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve gotta hope so. Downie’s got a lot of natural talent. It’d be nice to see him turn himself around and make himself a great – and long – career.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but one misstep and he turns into Todd Bertuzzi and is only known for his stupidity.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should just retire after tonight. I’ll take over.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

“I agree” also would have worked.

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by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, Bert, you had Vancouver in the palm of your hand. Why you wanna go and do what you did?

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know how emotional he is – he just did it without thinking. And then instantly regretted it. Poor guy. Both of them, actually.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Bert’s biggest flaw was that he was kind of immature. Moore, while I’m sorry he had his career snuffed out, still has a degree from Harvard to fall back on. Sometimes I wish he would forget about the lawsuit.

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by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good call DTV

I suspect based upon comparables, that if Downie signs for 1 year it will be $1.8 mil, 2 years @ $2mil and 3 years @ $2.25 mil for giving up a year of UFA eligibility.

Don in St Pete

by Don in St Pete on Aug 10, 2010 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Downs will be okay

He’s obviously come back to the mainstream. He’s working out with Stamkos at Gary Robert’s house. Now that has to be a scary proposition for the eastern conference foes. If everyone else has average years and Downs and Buggsy can net 30 each, Bolt fans will be in hog heaven.

Don in St Pete

by Don in St Pete on Aug 10, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

He struggled with keeping his temper in check at World Championships this spring, tho. I hope you’re right, but he’s got to learn a bit more self-control.

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it’s about that time. I need to go be unconscious for a while. Have a good night, everyone, and thanks for stopping in. I’m not sure I’ll be around next week, since I’ll be in Chicago, but I might stop in and say hi. Later!

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 10, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Goodnight Cassie.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

DTV is out of here as well.

Goodnight everyone. Thanks again John.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Night Matt. And thanks for the laughs!

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

See ya.

A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be

by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Later, and dream about deep dish pizza.

A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be

by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright, folks.

I’m out. Been a pleasure, as always.

DTV, Cassie, John…looking forward to your next pieces.

by Michael Gallimore on Aug 10, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you sir. Have a good one.

by Matt Amos on Aug 10, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same with YOURS Mike. Let me know if you have anything in the works.

Later

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice to meet you. Take care.

A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be

by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK Ladies and Gents...

This open thread is OPEN to comments for those who come by at a later time. Chime in if you want on any given topic. Make a new one.

But as for tonight’s live open thread discussion. I’m done, and we’ze outie. We’ll be back next week. 7:30 on Tuesday, like normal.

Goodnight!

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 10, 2010 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Good talking to you, John.

A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be

by Smoboy41 on Aug 10, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

why dont we just trade malone for kaberle and then sign kovalchuk to a one year deal like 7 mill or something. lets just take a swing at the cup. hell buy out smith and bring in niemi too.

by TomK91 on Aug 11, 2010 3:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d rather build a dynasty than have a one shot and done scenario. Look at how Chicago was dismantled. That’s been pretty ugly, if you ask me.

There's nothing quite like the sound of a frozen puck hitting the glass. It makes me happy.

Raw Charge, an SBN Tampa Bay Lightning community. Follow me on Twitter: @dagmar27.

by Cassie McClellan on Aug 11, 2010 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because look how well the last fantasy general management of the Lightning worked out (2008-09).

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Bringing in just anyone and everyone to make a big splash does not guarantee the team becomes a winner.

Besides, Kovy doesn’t know what the defensive zone is, and how playing defense is a part of the game — even for forwards. That’s worth 7 million? Offense contributor, otherwise liability? No thank you.

"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.

by John Fontana on Aug 11, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

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