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So, About Those Goalies: I Was Wrong Edition
For a while now, there have been a lot of questions about the Lightning goaltending, and I've been as obsessed with it as anyone. Maybe more. And whenever someone has said that this isn't the way Dwayne Roloson was last season, I've been skeptical because I've seen him struggle before. I've held onto the idea that this slow start was explainable by Roloson's history of inconsistency and the way the goalies have been "hung out to dry" so often by the team this year
But without looking at the data, none of us could really be sure whether what we thought we were seeing was what was really happening. So I bit the bullet. Even though numbers are so very much not my thing (side note: I hate making data tables; tables suck) I looked for the data, and it turns out that I was wrong, but I was sorta right, too.
Dwayne Roloson's stats are, in fact, down from the numbers he put up with the Lightning last season. Between January and April of 2011, Roli played in 34 regular season games. In that time, he gave up 85 goals on 967 shots. So his SV% was .912 and his GAA was 2.56. So far this season, in 14 games, he has a SV% of .887 and a GAA of 3.46 (42 goals against on 346 shots). That's a significant drop. Yes, I was wrong.
But Roloson has a reputation as a slow starter, so I looked up how he did in October and November historically. (The data here includes all October and November games, while the data for 2011-12 only includes games through November 26, because (a) that’s the way hockey-reference.com splits up their data, and (b) I haven’t finished the time machine yet.) Last season with the Islanders, Roli had a SV% of .912 and a GAA of 2.58 in October and November, almost identical to his numbers with the Lightning later in the year. In his career, his October-November splits are .912 SV% and 2.64 GAA. Um, oops. I admit it. I was wrong. He's not such a slow starter after all.
(The question of inconsistency lingers--his SV% throughout his career ranges from .884 (1999-00 in 14 games) to .933 (2003-04 in 48 games). His GAAs range from 3.05 in 2007-08 to 1.88 in 2003-04. But I haven't done the research to find out what the typical range is for goaltenders with similar length of service.)
And yet... The drop in Roloson's stats since last season are not unprecedented, and the next comparison I did was pretty informative.
It turns out that Roloson is doing about the same as Dan Ellis was at this time last season (better save percentage but more goals allowed) and quite a bit better than Mike Smith was. When combined, this year's goalies are performing better than the Ellis-Smith combo from this time last season.
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Oct.-Nov. 2010 vs 2011 |
GAA |
SV% |
|
Ellis (2010) |
2.86 |
.881 |
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Smith (2010) |
3.35 |
.878 |
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Composite |
3.02 |
.880 |
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Roloson (2011) |
3.07 |
.887 |
|
Garon (2011) |
2.46 |
.916 |
|
Composite |
3.01 |
.900 |
That's not great news for Roloson, considering Ellis's eventual fate with the team. In addition, he's doing somewhat worse than his career averages, or his cumulative record over the last five years, or his career splits for October and November. That's bad in the sense that he is obviously struggling so far this season. It's good in the sense that there is considerable potential for improvement; he's capable of better. (Don't get overly excited about Garon's numbers right now. Two games ago, he was at 2.84 and .907.)
However, given the similarities between the goaltending records of last season's start and this season's start, it's difficult to say that the issue is solely the netminders. You've got 4 different guys doing more or less the same in similar circumstances. You've got 3 of those guys clearly underperforming in about the same way in those circumstances and 1 guy doing somewhat better than he usually does (Garon's currently just above his career averages: career totals of .904 and 2.81 and career October-November splits of .905 and 2.77).
To me this indicates that there's a problem beyond the goaltending, something that folks have been arguing since the season began. So in this, I was right. The problem with Roli may be less that he's getting old and can't cut it anymore, or that he personally is in a funk, than it is that the team has been in a funk. For instance, the team is giving up 30 shots per game right now compared to last season's 26 in Oct.-Nov., and about the same number of goals per game (3.12 GPG in Oct.-Nov. of 2010; 3.05 GPG this year).
A big part of the goaltending problem this season has been that the only way that a Dwayne Roloson-Mathieu Garon combination ever made any sense was if Guy Boucher's system worked. That is to say, Yzerman and Boucher had to have planned for the team to be more balanced towards the front end than the back end, or they wouldn't have signed goaltenders who could hold down the fort but who couldn't steal games. (Keep in mind that if Roli/Garon were performing at .908, which is their composite career SV%, the Lightning would have given up 62 goals and would still have a zero goal differential on the season, including the last two games.) The system hasn't been working, and the goalies are only the most visible illustration of that.
So, what to do about it? Well, first of all trading for a new goaltender under these circumstances is unlikely to fix what's ailing the Bolts, unless the goalie is a game stealer, in which case, it's going to cost—a lot. Putting a new guy into the same bad situation hasn't worked out yet and it likely won't unless the new guy is an elite or near-elite talent.
In the short term, give Garon game time. (Again, this was most likely the plan all along.) Garon's been the only one able to handle the load so far, and he should be rewarded for that. But fans should be prepared to see a lot of goalie switching in the near future. Second, fix the offense. Get the team to give the goalies the offensive support they need. Saturday's game against the Panthers illustrates how much help that would be. Third, fix the defense. This may be harder, given the way this roster is stacked with offensive power and weak on defense, but it has to be done. Reduce shots on goal to something manageable and the goals against will go down. Straightforward? Cliché? It still works. If the offense can consistenly score like it is capable of, and the defense can help the goalies out, then the team can look again at the goaltending with less desperation and more options.
Either way, whether problems get fixed or not, December is likely to be make-or-break time for this team and for these two goaltenders as well.
(All data is from hockey-reference.com and nhl.com. You can see my spreadsheet—and check my work—here. Note that GAA is calculated using TOI/60, not the number of games played. GP doesn't take into account either overtime or partial games. Note also that all currently accepted goalie stats are deeply flawed in that they don't sufficiently separate the individual's performance from his team's performance. That might be fodder for a third post, though.)
This post was written by a member of the Raw Charge community and doesn't necessarily express the views or opinions of Raw Charge staff.
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bq. …If the offense can consistenly score like it is capable of, and the defense can help the goalies out, then the team can look again at the goaltending with less desperation and more options.
We made jokes last evening regarding a different team on the ice…most of that was comedic cover for the imbedded pain we as fans have been feeling watching what is generally a subpar effort on the ice.
I hope the ship has been righted. For the sake of my sanity I hope so, but only more consistent play in front of a netminder will breed more confidence all around and make that netminder better.
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First paragraph was supposed to be a quote from the author’s original text.
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by Bolted_Down on Nov 27, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we don’t like the auto-formatting stuff much, either. :o\
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by Cassie McClellan on Nov 27, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
In the last two games, Garon faced 49 total shots. That’s huge difference. Before those two games the goalies were seeing an average of 31 shots against per game. Garon saw 24.5 in those two games. And, lo and behold, his stats jumped significantly. The team makes no bones about the fact that this was their game plan all along and that it had been poorly executed for the most part.
Keep that up and Roli-Garon will work. Let go of it again, and there may be a need for a shift in strategy.
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Good analysis
Roli seems to do better at the start of a season when he’s not expected to take time away from anyone. He’s great under pressure once he’s the go to guy deep into the season, but at the beginning of seasons he excels at being a ‘fly under the radar’ type of goalie – see 08/09 & 09/10 seasons. In 07/08, when he was first teamed up with Garon, he struggled, just like he is now. He was trying to do too much. He admitted it back then, he admitted it just a couple days ago.
An Oiler friend of mine commented about the 07/08 & 08/09 seasons best when she said, “So long as you don’t tell each guy they’re the starter, they’ll be OK.” Roli was the de facto starter going into the season in 07/08, lost his job to Garon, and Garon was the de facto starter in 08/09, lost his job to Roli. Somehow Garon managed to get a cup ring out of the deal though. :)
Back to Roli, it’s not that he’s physically fading, as weird as that sounds for a 42 year old goalie, he’s thinking too much and getting away from little things that usually work well for him. He’s not the best puckhandler but he doesn’t usually have brutal giveaways that lead to gift goals two games running either. It just seems like he’s trying to over-compensate for the defensive lapses of the team. He just needs to be solid and not over do it. Hopefully this stretch of rest will get him re-set.
That said, at the beginning of the season Boucher said he was going to try to manage Roli’s starts. That’s all well and good, but when he’s on a roll he sometimes needs to stay on a roll. It seemed like he was getting there when he came back after sitting and had 3 wins in a row, 2 of them very good performances, then Garon started the Blues game and that might have thrown Roli off. He did have a good game vs PIT since then but that’s it.
If the team can stick with their structure like they have most recently then that will help both goalies. Since they’ve won with Garon these past 2 games they should continue to ride him for now, but I wouldn’t rule out Roli to get on a run whenever it’s his turn again. I just hope his starts aren’t managed once/if he gets on a roll because that does seem to mess him up.
by LateNightOilFan on Nov 28, 2011 1:20 AM EST reply actions
I would never rule Roli out, and I definitely agree with you about the second half being where he really gets going. I’ve looked a little at his records with the Oilers and you can certainly see that playing out there. And he almost got a ring. :) (I think that if he hadn’t gotten injured, he would have won it, but that’s pure speculation.)
What I’ve seen over his past few games is that he’ll have one or two of those great, tight, controlled games and then he’ll get “loud” again. He’ll get too active (handle the puck more, slide too much, come out just a little too far, start having uncontrolled rebounds, just generally do things too big for the situation), which may be part of that doing too much. He didn’t necessarily have a bad game, but it would be a game that hinted at bad. I called it sloppy at the time. When he’s controlled and “quiet” in the crease, he playing to his strengths. When he’s “loud,” he’s not. (And that controlled efficiency is also what has kept him in the game this long.) I didn’t like sitting him for the STL game, either. I thought that disrupted him and gave him time to start thinking instead of just doing.
Garon’s game was similar on Friday. He was in control. On Saturday he started getting sloppy toward the middle of the 3rd period (tired?), and then, lo and behold, bad puck handling decision came back and bit him in the @$$.
These are both competitive guys. Having them use each other to stay focused isn’t a bad thing. As long as the competition is manageable, and the rest of the team feels like they’re going to get reliable goaltending, a rotation can be beneficial for everyone. At some point, Garon will have a “bad” game, because all goalies have them. He will get pulled and Roli will come in and hopefully will have regained his focus and be able to give a series of good games. Then he’ll have a bad one and it’ll go back to Garon. That’s not an awful circumstance as long as the rest of the team is able to execute and not leave it all up to the goaltender.
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Very good article, and raises some good points.
I do see a potentially significant team issue. You point out the slight improvement in statistical performance of Roloson/Garon over Smith/Ellis.
It turns out that Roloson is doing about the same as Dan Ellis was at this time last season (better save percentage but more goals allowed) and quite a bit better than Mike Smith was. When combined, this year’s goalies are performing better than the Ellis-Smith combo from this time last season.The concern here is there’s no remedy for this year’s goalie funk if it turns out to be worse than caused by mere lack of quality team play.
Slightly OT, but worth bringing up here: read a rumor this morning that Yzerman might be looking at Harding in the upcoming UFA market.
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You can take heart from the indications that when the Lightning play like they’re supposed to, both Garon and Roli have been very good. It’s up to the team as a whole to keep that going, though. I’m anxious about it, too.
Harding’s been having a really good year, but he’s been tagged with the “often injured” label, so he’ll need to prove durability. He didn’t play a single game last season, remember. He’s also playing in a defense-first system this season, although the Wild have given up about 31 shots per game, which is about where the Lightning are. I’ve only had one chance to watch him this season, and he’s very good, but that is a team that cleans up after their goalie. On the other hand he’s not likely to be too expensive. He’s making $750,000 right now which is actually down from what he made to sit on the IR in 10-11 ($1.2MM).
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I still think theres still issues with the goalies themselves..
I know Roli can “get rolling deep into the season” but I would feel a lot more comfortable with a goalie who understands he’s the starter and can handle the pressure. On top of that having a backup (Garon) know his role is a backup and steps up his game whenever he’s needed to play. Having goalie issues where we do not know who is the starter can be asking too much from both of them.
You would think competition in stealing the spotlight would be a good thing, but sometimes they and trying to do too much which is hurtful. We need both goalies to understand their role and handle the position their in. I believe until then our goaltender problems will continue. It’s the same exact situation last year with Ellis-Smith (smith is apparently unreal this season?) and I believe even there it was a confusing situation that only made things worse.
Thats only my opinion. If any of our goaltenders get hurt I think he should take a seriously look at Tokarski and let him play a game or two in a row.
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A couple of issues here: first, these are competitive guys who will push each other. They’ve played together before in pretty much the same situation. They do know their roles. Garon knows exactly what he’s expected to do. The relationship between the two guys is really the least of the concerns in goal. The problem isn’t confusion about roles. It’s related to the issues that the rest of the team has been having getting shots off and maintaining possession of the puck in the other end. The goalies are getting bombarded, flat out.
Second, Tokarski’s really, really not ready to take over. He’s there if there’s an injury. But don’t expect him to be the answer in goal.
Now, having said all of that, I would suspect that management is aware of what goaltenders are available and at what cost. I would repeat, though, that bringing another .910-level goaltender (that is, an NHL-average guy) won’t cure the ills of the Lightning. There are only two ways to fix the goals-against problem—one is to play the game like the organization planned it; the other is to bring in a guy capable of playing at a .920 or better every night, and that will cost the team more than one player, plus prospects and picks.
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