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Question of the week: What do you think about the Tampa Bay Lightning and the 2012 NHL realignment?

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Isn't that a spectacular map? Even if I do say so myself? Actually, I can see all kids of things that are wrong with it, but we'll let that slide for now.

Last week, one of the biggest buzzes around the NHL was realignment. The NHL Board of Governors (BoG) voted in the scenario mapped above, which led to a lot of people asking variations of the question: Why are the two teams in Florida state off all by themselves? Also being asked was why did the Florida teams have to jump a conference to play the teams from the rest of theirs.

There have been mixed reviews about this scenario. Most people residing outside of the state that are not fans of either team seem to feel that it was a ludicrous setup. That Tampa Bay Lightning and Florida Panthers fans were getting shafted by how this worked out for them.

The opinions of Lightning fans, at least, seem to be more mixed. There is an element of feeling disrespected by the league for many. But others are taking a broader view, and choose to believe that this will benefit the Lightning. It will help ticket sales, and give some much needed exposure of the Lightning in Canada.

Me, I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. On the one hand, the fact that the BoG did this to the Florida teams shows that they're not held in high regard, and constant travel across the US-Canada border won't be a good time for either team. But, on the other hand, I think that the Lightning can work this scenario to their advantage and come out ahead financially because of it. However, it will really depend on how the team itself deals with this, and how the schedule turns out next season in terms of how often they'll have to cross the border.

So the question of the week is this: What do you think about where the Tampa Bay Lightning ended up in the new 2012 realignment scheme?

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Dani Toth - Staff Writer / Benched Whale, Lightning Hockey Blog

We got screwed. Obviously politics had a huge part in how the conferences were formed and it is what it is. The conference we are in makes no sense geographically since to get to the majority of our conference opponents we will have to fly over another conference to get there.

Could the conferences have been divided better? Yes. Am I really upset by this? No, just mildly annoyed. But come next year, my mild annoyance of the increased travel will just become part of the new schedule and it won't be that big of a deal.

John Fontana - Managing Editor / Raw Charge

I said this publicly in comments on a recent game thread:

It's a realign(ment) for 28 teams. Damn shame there are 30

Basically, that's how I see how the chips fell for the Lightning in this re-invention-of-the-wheel realignment plan that the Board Of Governors approved. It protects regional grudge matches in the northeast and, per usual, makes a mockery of geography in one way or another.

In this case, it's Tampa Bay and Florida having to travel over an entire conference to play conference opponents.

I'm still miffed they decided to go so far away from a traditional setup of a two conference scheme. I’ve publicly vented that the East-West alignment was bad. Derek Zona had put together a sane version of a two-conference, East-Central-West alignment. Why did the NHL have to vary from what is basically the standard North American sports alignment (two conferences, and those conferences split into divisions) and go with four conferences?

It'd be one thing if they had decided to mimic European soccer leagues and promote/demote teams depending on where they finish in the standings. That's following a precedent. In this case, it's an experiment. One that screws over the Lightning and the Panthers.

Clare Austin - Staff Writer

This plan is great for a lot of teams. It protects the big-market rivalries of the northeast and of western Canada. It makes Dallas far more viable in the long-term. It possibly saves Columbus from collapse. Furthermore, they've achieved a certain level of flexibility that allows them to deal with the Phoenix situation however it develops. There are ways that it's good for the league as a whole.

But the Florida teams bear the brunt of it. The Lightning will lose 4 home games from the closest two teams (Washington and Carolina) and 5 home games from other northern teams (New Jersey, the Islanders, the Rangers, Philly, and Pittsburgh), two of which were becoming meaningful beyond the standings (Philadelphia and Pittsburgh). In place of this they gain 5 home games with Boston, Buffalo, Montreal, Ottawa, and Toronto. The two Florida teams will have to take long road trips to play conference games; the northern teams in the same conference will not. That's unfair.

The level of misunderstanding out there about this plan amazes me, though. People seem to think (a) that folks who have moved to Florida from somewhere else will buy more tickets to the home games than they do now (huh?); (b) that visitors will actually fly to Florida for a random weekend in the middle of the season to go to a game (in a bad economy) more frequently than they would have done it before; and (c) that the New York area teams are in the same conference as the Florida teams. I get the first two. That's what the media has been telling them. But that last one is just pure laziness.

Clark Brooks - Staff Writer / Ridiculously Inconsistent Trickle of Consciousness

I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't hate the realignment plan.

We all knew some form of realignment was coming and we had to know that it wasn't going go make everybody happy. I fully acknowledge that the teams in Florida got the least favorable draw but A) did anybody really expect that we'd be accomodated at the expense of older, bigger markets? and B) I don't think it's all that bad. Yes, travel will be increased but it doesn't have to be the nightmare scenarios that everyone is picturing. The issue with going in and out of Canada is the time it takes to pass through customs. All the league has to do is schedule the Lightning's games against Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto together so they can knock out visits to all three cities with one pass over the border and one pass back. And it will help if the league minimizes the back-to-back games or at least schedules them so they make sense (Buffalo-Toronto, for example). The big problem with travel is when a team arrives at their hotel at 3 or 4 am prior to a 7 pm game. The increased travel the Lightning will have won't necessarily produce more of those scenarios. It takes about an hour and half longer to fly from Tampa to Montreal than from Tampa to Durham. Anybody who's ever traveled will tell you the difference between a two hour flight and a three hour flight is negligible. Lightning owner Jeff Vinik has asked for factors like that to be taken into account when the schedule is made and the NHL says they will take those concerns into consideration. I know there are conspiracy theorists out there who think the league has an agenda against Tampa Bay and Florida and will end up screwing them over just for the sake of doing it, but I just don't see any logic to support that.

And at the end of the day, I think true rivalries are going to be created and/or strengthened, which will make the playoffs even better, which is good for the league. Plus, who's to say that when the Phoenix situation gets straightened out, we don't get shuffled again and end up with a more favorable draw then?

Matt Amos - Staff Writer / Don't Trade Vinny

At first glance, I looked at the realignment and thought the Lightning were getting pooped on. As usual.

No stoking of the developing rivalries with the Pittsburgh Penguins and Washington Capitals. Fewer chances to watch the Philadelphia Flyers playing footsie with their own faceoff dot. No more brutally unfunny weather puns in game headlines when the Bolts play the Carolina Hurricanes. This sucks.

But then, as I was cooking up this post, my tune began to change.

What group of people has discounted, discredited, and outright questioned the existence of "sunbelt hockey" more than Canadian hockey fans? And what subgroup leads the charge? Fans of the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Montreal Canadiens. That's when I realized that, in this new format, if the Florida Panthers and Boston Bruins maintain their current trends, the Lightning can get their shit act together, and the Buffalo Sabres continue to add pieces - all things that are not in any way out of the realm of possibility - then Canada could be watching three Canadian teams sitting at home in April. All at the hands of "sunbelt hockey."

Can you imagine? Riots break out in Canada when Canadian franchises lose to "traditional" storied franchises like the Bruins and Flyers. If the Panthers and Lightning hold three Canadian teams out of the playoffs, Canada may for all we know just secede from the whole damn planet.

If you missed it, check out last week's question, What is your favorite hockey tradition?

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I'm with DTV here

this is a huge opportunity to keep Canadian teams out of the playoffs at the direct expense of Florida teams. And that’s awesome.

As long as the league makes the accommodations that have been promised (as Clark said), it really should be fine. Still worth making fun of because the geography is ridiculous, but in the “making fun of the Legends and Leaders” sort of way, not in the “this is a disaster doomed to failure or concocted to screw Southern markets” way.

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
Bolts, Canes, Preds (now in different conferences!). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 16, 2011 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

Ahem ahem. The Florida teams could keep the Canadian EASTERN teams out of the playoffs…

by Dani Toth on Dec 16, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry

I meant the Canadian teams that Canada cares about.

/EastCoastBias’d

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 16, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

also

the two teams that you cheer for are now the only two teams I’ve seen Carolina beat in person. Although I personally enjoyed last night’s a lot more than that mess on All Saint’s Day

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 16, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

No Habs or Leafs

in the playoffs would be sweet. Oh,wait, that already happens.

Warm winds blowing, heating blue sky, and a road that goes forever...

by Smoboy41 on Dec 16, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. I never thought of it that way. Matt, you're a genius.

The travel issue still sucks, but the rest there is genius. Make it so.

On a serious note, my issue with the travel is that to make those road trips as efficient as possible, they’re going to have to make them long road trips. Whereas the northern teams in the conference won’t have that burden. It’s not so much the amount of time on the airplane; it’s the amount of time away from the home arena. The Lightning have faced that so far this season with the renovations to the Forum keeping them away, and it has been dismal. Yes it will balance out eventually, but the damage has been done now. With this new conference set up, that disadvantage is structural. It’s not gonna go away next season.

So while there may be some way to lessen that burden, I’m skeptical that it will even out across the conference.

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
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by CAustin on Dec 16, 2011 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

don't have to make them /that/ long, do we?

three game swings into Canada, 2-3 game swings into the Northeast, and we’re good

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 16, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ll see. I’m skeptical because efficiency would dictate one thing and—I don’t know what to call it; fairness and balance—would seem to dictate another. And because this is the NHL, where everyone bore the brunt of Winnepeg’s bad travel schedule except Winnepeg.

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
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by CAustin on Dec 16, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

but in this new situation

we’re Winnipeg. (spit). so we should not feel the brunt of it. hopefully

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 16, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

what SHOULD have happend

is put NJ, pit and washington in the conference with buffalo. then put boston, tampa, fla in the technically atlantic coast. so we would be a division of BOS, NYI, NYR, PHI, TAM, FLA, CAR. but that would be horrible for matchups and rivalries so its a no go. i think the snowbird conference will be good for ticket sales for us but i also dont want the form filled with opposing teams players lol

by TomK91 on Dec 16, 2011 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

people keep talking about ticket sales

but are they really that bad? I know the Panthers have marketed to the snowbirds, but aren’t we doing pretty well selling them on our own?

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 16, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

go to a montreal game here in tampa.

or a detroit. or toronto. it will be a sea of red or leafs jerseys. the other canadian teams not so much.

by TomK91 on Dec 16, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

oh no, I understand lots of away fans will come

but are they coming at the expense of empty seats, or at the expense of home fans? the former is frustrating, but does help the bottom line. the latter, not so much

one of these days, I’ll actually go to a game in Tampa. One of these days. Been to three road games, no home games

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 16, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

no they buy the seats because they can fly down here. watch them play in tampa then drive and watch them play in florida for cheaper than it would be to go to one game up there. i can use my college id and get upper level seats for 10 bucks or lower bowl for 25. the mtl games sell out. but idk u might get a couple hundred stolen seats but not anything crazy. we wont fill the forum with 20,000 lightning fans for a florida game or something like that. deff filled last yr in the playoffs and id say it was prob 16000 tampa fans and 4000 of the other team.

by TomK91 on Dec 16, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The ticket sales question has to take into account whether there will be MORE snowbird tickets sold under the new plan than the old. Because that’s the only way there’s a boost in ticket sales.

Given that the team is losing home games from most current-EC teams and only gaining home games from 5 current-EC teams, how many MORE tickets are reasonably going to be sold? In other words, what people are expecting to happen is that so many MORE people from BUF, BOS, MTL, OTT, and TOR are going to fly down to Tampa for a random weekend in the middle of the season that it will exceed all of the people who won’t be coming down from CAR, WAS (4 home games gone), NY (1 home game each from 3 teams), PHI, or PIT. That’s saying that,essentially, in the 5 home games gained with BUF, BOS, MTL, OTT, and TOR, plus the 6 home games gained against western teams MORE tickets will be sold than in the 9 home games lost against the other current-EC teams.

Has that market research been done? Are folks going to fly in MORE from Montreal or Boston than they do now? Are they going to come from Los Angeles? From Phoenix? From Detroit or Columbus? I just don’t see that adding up.

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
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by CAustin on Dec 16, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

well my bet is that the new schedule will show that if your coming to play tampa your gonna play florida too in that same weekend or next day even. so if those fans come down and get to see two games rather than only making plans to come down wen they play both fla and tampa then they wont come as much. but when you are getting them to come down forsure 3 times a year to watch tampa and florida.

by TomK91 on Dec 16, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Lou Lamoriello didn’t want to have Jersey in a different conference from the NYC teams, so he nixed that idea. Which is why the Florida teams ended up where they did.

"You don't have enough talent to win on talent alone." -Herb Brooks

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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 16, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

that idea was actually proposed?

i was just throwing something out there. plus boston and mtl would NEVER not be in the same conf/division

by TomK91 on Dec 16, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I understand, that was the original setup, but the Devils vetoed it.

"You don't have enough talent to win on talent alone." -Herb Brooks

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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 16, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

well duh.

cuz that would be horrible for the NHL. i still think they should have done a south east conference with tampa, florida, carolina, nashville, dallas, washington, st. louis….. but they wanted the pitt/wash rivalry.

by TomK91 on Dec 16, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Great schedule!

What is more fun in hockey than watching Canadien fans curse in french when their team loses. what is more fun in hockey than watching Leaf fans dole out all that cash for seats (90 bucks us. cheap seats) and to watch the “it’s our game” crowd crying for a refund when the team loses. I won’t comment on Ottawa, they are treated like trash by the other 2 fan bases and Canadien media. Stateside we get to go to the corn beef and cabbage arena and get some payback on the Bruins, but this means the lightning will have to hulk up and get some big bodies in there for those games. Then there is buffalo little guys lots of speed, couldnt have picked teams i dispise more..maby Philly

by bolt69 on Dec 17, 2011 4:54 AM EST reply actions  

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