The language and realism barrier
The Montreal Canadiens have long had ties to the Tampa Bay Lightning through, if nothing more, want. What we've had is what they've wanted. Understanding the want is to understand a culture that's divided and proud of its heritage.
The want that we're, as Bolts fans, used to hearing about is the imminent acquisition or free agent signing of Vincent Lecavalier by Les Habs. It's been an acquisition that has been lusted after by some fans of the bleu, blanc et rouge for more than a decade.
Why?
The obvious answer is Lecavalier is a good player, and of course Montreal would want a good player on their team. Digging just a mite deeper, you can see that Lecavalier Is from the Montreal suburb of Ile Bizzard. Home-town-boy-makes-good, of course they want the local product playing at home.
It's a little more complicated than that, though. It's a matter of local pride, it's a matter of provincial nationalism, it's a matter of heritage.
It's a matter of Vinny speaking both English and French.
A prerequisite for respect and admiration from Montreal fans is to be a francophone, a native French speaker. The first step to superstardom with the franchise is to be Québécois, too.
Thus why there was lust for Lecavalier in the past, and there is current discontent over interim head coach Randy Cunneyworth in Montreal. You see, Cunneyworth doesn't just go against the grain by not being Québécois, but he's also an anglophone - an English speaker. He doesn't speak French in a province where a large percentage of the population doesn't speak English. That's not exactly a pragmatic situation, is it? While that's an issue that could easily be remedied with patience and understanding (and a translator)... Well, it's not going to be understood. It's not going to be tolerated. Quebec will have none of it.
It's less of an issue of wins-and-losses and X's-and-O's as the primary critique of a coach, and it's instead an issue of cultural heredity that has long been a necessity to oversee Les Habitants de Montreal. Look at the list of head coaches of the Canadiens and you will see it dominated by Québécois. Oh, sure, there are exceptions (Bob Gainey, Pat Burns) but that's been aberration, not the norm.
This all leads back to the Lightning, but not Vinny this time around.
You see, there was a tweet earlier today by Puck Daddy's Greg Wyshynski, pointing out gambling odds on certain people being hired by the Habs as the franchise's next head coach:
Bodog odds for Habs coach: 2/1 for Patrick Roy; Clément Jodoin- 5/2; Bob Hartley- 5/1; Most interesting: Guy Boucher 20/1, Therrien 40/1
This is why I brought up Les Habs situation with their coach. Not because of taking gambling odds as anything more than speculation, but because of the Lightning's ties (through multiple hirings by GM Steve Yzerman in 2010) to the Canadiens.
Boucher and assistant coaches Martin Raymond and Dan Lacroix, as well as assistant GM Julien BriseBois, all worked for the Hamilton Bulldogs of the AHL - the Canadiens minor league affiliate. Raymond and Boucher both have ties to McGill University in Montreal (Raymond as coach, Boucher as a player, student, and assistant coach).
While Boucher is the attention grabbing name who once seemed heir apparent to the job in Montreal, it's not realistic to expect the Habs to chase after him as a coaching candidate. No, the realistic options are Raymond and Lacroix (who was an assistant coach with the New York Islanders in the past). Both men have all the prerequisites (Francophones from Quebec), minus the big-name appeal that Boucher, or Patrick Roy, or Michel Therrien, or even Jacques Lemaire, would bring to the table.
Realism and speculation involving the Montreal Canadiens have never gone together well, though.
Whatever the case, Tampa Bay has graduated from the past rampant Lecavalier-to-Montreal rumors to Boucher-to-Montreal hearsay. Hearsay which, once it takes root, may spread quickly with the rise and fall of the Canadiens as well as the successes and failings of the Lightning under Boucher.
Remember, failings wouldn't necessarily silence speculation... He's a Québécois, and that means he's a winner to start. Make him a Canadien, and he'd be a champion
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Send me Pacioretty
and Subban and I’ll ship Vinnie and his contract up to Quebec manana, or should I say demain..
But the conversation isn’t ABOUT Vinny now, it’s about Boucher.
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by John Fontana on Dec 21, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Why are you talking about player trades when this post is about head coaching positions?
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 21, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Oh good Lord....
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with Vinny trade rumors.
Read my lips: VINNY IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE!
Geez, dude. READ the story before you comment, eh?
And just as a little aside.. it’s VINNY not “Vinnie” OK?
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by Tina Robinson on Dec 21, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I read the story dudette
The whole first half was about how Montreal fans have yearned for Vincent ( happy now ). My feeling is they can have him. Sure he’s not going anywhere, unless the Bolts agree to eat about 2/3 rds of his overpriced contract. My point was not to propose fantasy trades but rather stress a desire to see younger potential talent in exchange for sating quebecois desire for players and coaches that speak French. Sorry to rain on your VinnY lovefest.
Ah. You must be one of those that believe that he’s not worth the money. Okay. Well, you’re entitled to your opinion.
However, you should probably know that neither he nor his agent asked for that contract. The previous ownership offered it to him as is. And if you were in his shoes, you would’ve done the same. So to blame the player for taking money that’s being thrown at him is a little off-base, I think.
As for his production, he was injured for two years – including a severely dislocated shoulder that required surgery – and was just getting back into playing form the second half of last season. Sure, Stamkos scores more goals than he does, but Lecavalier is better than Stamkos is in just about every other way. Maybe Vinny won’t score over 50 goals a season again, but that doesn’t diminish his impact or his leadership abilities.
"You don't have enough talent to win on talent alone." -Herb Brooks
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 22, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
there's going to be a day where he's not worth the money anymore
and I’m not really sure what we do on that day. But right now, he’s worth it. I mean, go back and watch last year’s playoffs
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 22, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
No one is worth that kind of money. Lecavalier, Manning, Bryant, Rodriguez, Crosby, etc, etc. Name an athlete who has signed a lump-sum contract and lived up to the expectations under it, brouht in multiple championships, etc.
And, no, college coaches don’t count. :-p ;-)
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by John Fontana on Dec 22, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
fair enough
but he’s worth being paid a lot more than the average hockey player. better?
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 22, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I agree – no one’s worth the money being paid to them. And most tend to play poorly once they do sign monster contracts. However – and I know you know this, John – most of those players and their agents ask for that kind of money and then the teams give it to them. That wasn’t the case with Vinny.
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by Cassie McClellan on Dec 22, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don't blame Vinny
For taking the money. Every player should try to get the most they can. But he is not worth that kind of money. That is two very distinct issues. That is superstar pay for someone that has not played at a superstar level for a very long time.
Unless Vinny decides to rebate the team , management will have to deal with the ramifications of the cap and retaining lower level talent for the remainder of that contract. I’m not a Vinny hater, just a realist.
I disagree that the talent level is _necessarily_ lower.
That may be true of free agents, but not for young guys. Every single team—all of them, without exception—has to get the most out of ELCs and guys like Bergeron and Shannon in order to compete. Brett Connolly is making $900K until 2014 (cap hit 1.6 after bonuses, which count this season because of the CBA expiring). If he gets as good as he’s expected to, that’s a huge bargain. Jordan Eberle, Jeff Skinner, Matt Read, all with cap hits less than $2M (and salary much less—again bonuses all count this whole season, even if they’re never earned.) Those kinds of contracts are used by all teams to balance out the superstar contracts.
Vinny’s contract may be bloated, but it’s not the only thing that’s preventing the Lightning from performing. When you draft badly or are just unlucky with your draft picks, you don’t get the benefit of those ELCs that make the system work.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
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