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Take a deep breath: The refs are not out the get the Tampa Bay Lightning

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There have been some highly questionable calls against the Tampa Bay Lightning this second season of playoffs in the NHL. And fans are rightly up in arms over this. It seems as if the Lightning just can't quite catch a break when it comes to the officials.

But would it surprise you to find out that every single team's fans in the NHL feel exactly the same way about how officials call things against their team?

Yes, the on-ice officials have called things against the Lightning that didn't happen - some of them even on players not named Steve Downie. Yes, some of those calls have taken place at very wrong times for the team. (Although, when exactly is a good time for a penalty?) And yes, some of those penalties have cost the Lightning dearly at times.

But that happens to every other team in the NHL. I'm sorry, but the Lightning aren't that special. They aren't targets of some nefarious Gary Bettman grand master plan that's out to keep Southeast Division away from the Stanley Cup. If that were the case, then why have both Carolina and Tampa Bay won the Stanley Cup in the past ten years?

It's time to take off the tin foil hats, and to stop drinking the Oren Koules and Len Barrie Kool-Aid. There is no conspiracy. The referees and linesmen just suck - for everyone.

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It's all well and good for the team to feel cornered, to feel like it's them against the world. That's some serious motivation for them to play well. But fans don't need to. It's our job to be supportive, and not to be paranoid.

To put it simply: We're in a relationship with the Lightning, and fans need to stop acting like the crazy, possessive girlfriend.

The on-ice officials have sucked. All. Season. Long. You've seen all of the stupid penalties being called, the inconsistent suspensions. We've all complained about Colin Campbell's Wheel of Justice. We all know that goes on - and not just to the Lightning.

I think that there are two major factors for bad calls. One, the on-ice officials just can't keep up with the speed of the players. Not in terms of how fast the play goes, but just skating up and down the ice. How can they see something happen if they aren't there when it happens?

Another factor is education. The league seems to change its mind hourly on what certain rules mean, and how they should be called. If the NHL isn't sure what interference is, then how can a referee know? And if the refs don't know, then how are the players supposed to know?

If the league and the NHL were truly out to get the Lightning, they wouldn't have made it to the conference finals. Likely, they wouldn't have even made it into playoffs. In fact, they probably wouldn't have Jeff Vinik as a majority owner. Moving them wouldn't have been such a hard thing to do a year and a half ago, after all.

So take a big step back from the ledge, and put down your pitch forks, torches, ice picks, machetes, and chainsaws. And think about taking some yoga lessons or something to calm down. Seriously. We're all going to need couple's counseling after this is over.

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Phoenix Suns fans were told the same thing in games refereed by Tim Donaghy

The Lightning have gotten the raw end of the calls in all 3 series.

Have there been bad calls going both ways? Sure
Have a majority of bad calls gone against the lightning? No doubt about it

I’m sure if we high sticked Chara and drew blood it wouldn’t get called.

Marty has gotten a stick to the face how many times without a call?

2 of the Malone calls yesterday were down right criminal.

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by Sveet on May 18, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m sure if we high sticked Chara and drew blood it wouldn’t get called.

Ummm… wouldn’t that mean the refs are favoring Tampa?

by BobbyOrrsBastard on May 18, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

sarcasm meter broken

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by Sveet on May 18, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

text is bad for sarcasm, hope this helps

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 18, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair, he wasn't around for Marty getting his teeth knocked out

or the other six times he’s taken a stick to the face.

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by Incipient_Senescence on May 18, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw it and advocated a penalty on the play due to the lack of stick control from Michalek. Either high-sticking or slashing was merited there.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on May 18, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you see Marty’s face? He’s constantly getting high sticked . At least 3 or 4 times a season he gets blood drawn. And it’s almost never called.

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by Cassie McClellan on May 18, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, the Lightning have had their share of bad calls, but so has everyone else. That’s all I’m saying. Frankly, the NHL doesn’t have the brain power to put together any kind of conspiracy, let alone direct it at a specific team.

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by Cassie McClellan on May 18, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget Anaheim in that rundown.

If the league controlled the outcomes through officiating I am fairly certain that Edmonton, Calgary and Ottawa would have triumphed over their ‘sunshine’ opponents.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on May 18, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Toronto would be a yearly favorite since the NHL’s Canadian offices – as well as the War Room – are located in Air Canada Centre.

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by Cassie McClellan on May 18, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That fact that this post even exists sure means something.

Have a majority of bad calls gone against the lightning? No doubt about it 2

2 of the Malone calls yesterday were down right criminal. 2

Criminal with a capital everything. CRIMINAL.

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by Rafael Amarante on May 18, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

It means that people are taking it far too personally is why I wrote this. Talk to Canucks fans. They’ll tell you the exact same thing – that they’re being targeted by officials.

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by Cassie McClellan on May 18, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad thing is that no one bothers to turn to the facts and try to provide proof.

Yes, Tampa has the most times shorthanded this postseason… but they also have the most times on the PP!

And why would the refs suddenly go from being friendly towards TB (+40 regular season PP-PK differential and 2nd most PP) to being hostile towards them in the playoffs?

by BobbyOrrsBastard on May 18, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is totally skewing the facts

You should do them by games played not totals. Teams have played different amount of games.

Of course the Penguins have less power plays then us, but they had more per game played.

The Lightning are -10 in PP-PK differential in 13 postseason games.

As you said they were +40 in the regular season.

Something seems off there to me

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by Sveet on May 18, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s harder to draw penalties in the playoffs?

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 18, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also playing better competition in the playoffs meaning penalties are harder to come by and easier to commit.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on May 18, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup that makes sense

TB Avg times shorthanded per game

Playoffs – 4.9
Reg Season – 3.7

/egg on face

Any other shit you want to throw out there

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by Sveet on May 18, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what you’re saying is that Tampa is committing more penalties than during the regular season?

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 18, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably due to playing better competition on a nightly basis. Weaker defenses tend to be forced into penalties against stronger opponents.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on May 18, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I give you facts. You give me this
Sad thing is that no one bothers to turn to the facts and try to provide proof.

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by Sveet on May 18, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

New Theory: Refs in the regular season for Tampa games were less experienced and now the Bolts are trying to get away with things that Veteran Playoff Refs are calling.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 18, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am honestly dumbfounded how Bruins fans could think that the officials screwed them last night

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by Sveet on May 18, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe not last night, but I’m sure they felt they were screwed out of Game 1.

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by Cassie McClellan on May 18, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No they really think they were screwed last night

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by Sveet on May 18, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t gotten that from anybody. Maybe on a call or two – which, everybody does that, even when their team wins – but not for the entire game.

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by Cassie McClellan on May 18, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

very bad calls all game

they screwed both teams many times but mostly the bs. i was fucking pissed

by muffinman2 on May 18, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions

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by Sveet on May 18, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somebody’s just jealous that we won

(hint: it’s Sveet)

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 18, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

We just needed to win 1, which we did

Anything more would have been icing on the cake.

That was a bonus game for us

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by Sveet on May 18, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it was a bonus game, why are you so worked up about it that you’ve decided the only course of action is to construct a narrative about Bruins fans blaming the refs?

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 18, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't have to construct it

Your fans did it for me

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by Sveet on May 18, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, to be fair, the reffing is pretty bad. The only call I got into a huff about was the Thomas’s Mask Off non-stop. That’s mostly goalie-protectionism but you have to admit it wasn’t an unfounded concern – he’s got his mask off for 2 seconds and some dick on Tampa decides to shoot it at his eye.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 18, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read the rulebook

The play wasn’t stopped in accordance with the rules. Even your buds at SCOC agree to that.

"[The Lightning] are uncanny. When they want to get a goal, it's like they just snap their fingers or hit a button. They just dial it up. You can see it. It's like they flip a switch. When they are down, it's just like they think, 'we know we are going to score.' I don't know what it is, it leaves [the opposition] flabbergasted." - Mike Knuble, 3 May 2011

by MTBoltFan on May 18, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I realize it was called correctly but I still didn’t like it. That recognition of fact coupled with opinion is allowed, yeah?

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 19, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Proven fact: Canucks fans could have 10 calls in their favor and one blatant one against and they’d still bitch.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 18, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is my point – a lot of fans do that, and it’s mostly just a perception issue.

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by Cassie McClellan on May 18, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this serious?
Great game back and forth, but I have to ask, has anyone ever seen a team get more lucky bounces and weird scoring chances? Honestly, has Tampa Bay had one good regular hard fought goal yet this round?
1st goal, Bruins asleep
2nd goal, cannot believe the referree fell for Downie pulling Chara into a last minute penalty. Bolts will take that trade all day.
3rd goal, incredibly weak five hole from Timmy
4th goal, Stamkos down the wing with the puck on it’s side, off Thomas and in (this one’s not bad)
5th goal, the maskless goaltender and scramble.

And last game come on, scramble and a puck kicked right to Bergenheim, whole team falls asleep off the faceoff, and Kaberle basically puts one in his own net.

All their good scoring chances have been incredible saves from Thomas, and everything that looks harmless, Boom, in the back of the net.

All this buttoning and unbuttoning

by Marttisdad on May 18, 2011 7:51 AM EDT reply actions

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by Sveet on May 18, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

The Lightning have been lucky, just not quite as lucky as this guy makes them out to be.

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by Cassie McClellan on May 18, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say their first goal had some element of luck in it based on the good bounce to Hall and tough angle shot.

I would also say their 5th goal was fortunate based on the fact that such plays are usually blown dead immediately.

But as is often the case, their luck was the residue of hard work.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on May 18, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Per the rules that play should not be blown dead immediately.

When a goalkeeper has lost his helmet and/or face mask and his team has possession of the puck, the play shall be stopped immediately to allow the goalkeeper the opportunity to regain his helmet and/or face mask. When the opposing team has possession of the puck, play shall only be stopped if there is no immediate and impending scoring opportunity. This stoppage of play must be made by the Referee. When play is stopped because the goalkeeper has lost his helmet and/or face mask, the ensuing face-off shall take place at one of the defending team’s end zone face-off spots.

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by coasterg on May 18, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the rule. However, it is quite subjective and as such could easily have been blown dead.

After all, can you give me an absolute definition of an ‘immediate and impending scoring opportunity’? it doesn’t exist. Its a judgement call left up to the referees. As such it could easily have been blown dead as it often is.

I am not arguing with the ruling, merely saying there was some element of luck in it not being blown dead based on a different interpretation of the rule.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on May 18, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually

I would say the fifth goal was lucky that nobody thought Hedman’s shot went in. You blow it dead there, review it, find no goal, and you don’t get the actual goal. But the luck is that the refs did what they should when they so often don’t.

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by Incipient_Senescence on May 18, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about that… I’ve never seen a case where the puck stays loose and officials blow the play dead to review a possible goal. They are specifically taught NOT to do that. If there is any doubt about a puck crossing the line they always let play continue and then review at the next stoppage. Just like they did in Boston-Philly game 2 when Krejci scored in OT but play continued for another minute.

Had that play been blown dead for no good reason it wouldn’t have been bad luck but utterly incompetent officiating.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on May 18, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t it make sense to ask him and not others?

by BobbyOrrsBastard on May 18, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Post, Cassie, but...

I disagree with it on two points.

First, a caveat: I don’t believe the refs are “out to get” the Bolts. The League just isn’t that nefarious.

However, the fact the Bolts made the ECF isn’t evidence of the penalty calling against the Bolts. I believe bias is still there.

The second point is there is evidence of such a bias. Please note the number of times the Bolts have been penalized: 71 times through 13 games—#1 in the league in the post season. Compare that, if you will with the regular season. During the 82 games, the Bolts took 379 penalties—an average of 4.62 penalties per game.

No other team has that sort of turnaround, discipline-wise. What else can explain it? As Spock once said, “Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

"[The Lightning] are uncanny. When they want to get a goal, it's like they just snap their fingers or hit a button. They just dial it up. You can see it. It's like they flip a switch. When they are down, it's just like they think, 'we know we are going to score.' I don't know what it is, it leaves [the opposition] flabbergasted." - Mike Knuble, 3 May 2011

by MTBoltFan on May 18, 2011 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t use raw penalty numbers as those include fights, misconducts and the like and artificially inflate the numbers

by BobbyOrrsBastard on May 18, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re all penalties…so they’re tracked (and included) as such.

"[The Lightning] are uncanny. When they want to get a goal, it's like they just snap their fingers or hit a button. They just dial it up. You can see it. It's like they flip a switch. When they are down, it's just like they think, 'we know we are going to score.' I don't know what it is, it leaves [the opposition] flabbergasted." - Mike Knuble, 3 May 2011

by MTBoltFan on May 18, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

As you wish. Doesn’t make much sense to me though

by BobbyOrrsBastard on May 18, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luckily, NHL.com splits out minor and major penalties right on the site. They also do it by penalty time. I think my favorite, though, is PP-PK time, where Tampa is, as you’ve pointed out, most disadvantageous. Just for kicks, the PP-PK time for the four conference finalists:

Rank/4 Team: PP-PK time (ranking/16)

  1. Boston: 4:29 (6/16)
  2. Vancouver: -10:06 (13/16)
  3. San Jose: -13:18 (15/16)
  4. Tampa Bay: -25:26 (16/16)

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 19, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

However, that value is a very flawed one since successful PPs end early while successful PKs go the distance.

Thus a team that excels in both, as TB has done this postseason, will have a skewed negative value. The contrary is also true… Boston’s anemic PP combined with its marginal PK give them a false positive number.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on May 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great point.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on May 19, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

We all say that the regular season has nothing to do with the playoffs, tho, right?

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by Cassie McClellan on May 18, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, and no

I would say the regular season doesn’t mean anything as to team play offensively or defensively from a trend or tendency stand-point. On the other hand, comparing stats from regular season to post-season is completely germane to the discussion, IMHO.

"[The Lightning] are uncanny. When they want to get a goal, it's like they just snap their fingers or hit a button. They just dial it up. You can see it. It's like they flip a switch. When they are down, it's just like they think, 'we know we are going to score.' I don't know what it is, it leaves [the opposition] flabbergasted." - Mike Knuble, 3 May 2011

by MTBoltFan on May 18, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get off our Boards, Boston Trolls. (Sorry if you think Cornelius is a “good guy”, Cassie.)

Sveet – Relax, man. The refs certainly didn’t help, but the Lightning didn’t deserve to win given their play for most of the game.

I’m frankly emboldened that we’re the better team after last night. The Bruins almost choked in a game where we saw their best effort and our worst, for the vast majority of play. It’ll continue to be an interesting series, but Bruins fans can’t feel too good about their team if they’re being honest with themelves.

by vlac4 on May 18, 2011 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree

With all of it.

"[The Lightning] are uncanny. When they want to get a goal, it's like they just snap their fingers or hit a button. They just dial it up. You can see it. It's like they flip a switch. When they are down, it's just like they think, 'we know we are going to score.' I don't know what it is, it leaves [the opposition] flabbergasted." - Mike Knuble, 3 May 2011

by MTBoltFan on May 18, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

And here I thought the point of these boards was to discuss the game and the sport. If Raw Charge wants me off their boards they are more than welcome to ban me, otherwise I shall remain.

And should the same message go for you? After all, a quarter of your posts have come at SCoC…

by BobbyOrrsBastard on May 18, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to see you care enough to view my profile in detail. There’s a difference between “discussing the game” and being antagonistic. Continuing to engage an obviously irate fan (Sveet) and making comments like, “Somebody’s just jealous that we won (hint: it’s Sveet),” aren’t exactly respectful, Cassie.

I think open discussion is fine, but we’re all obviously too emotionally attached to our teams to be completely objective and that’s precisely why I stopped commenting on SCoC since the series began.

Cassie – Not trying to come at you. Thanks for all your hard work on this blog. I’ve been a lurker for a LONG time, so I’ve appreciated your work for quite awhile. It’s always made being a fan easier, even during the dark days.

by vlac4 on May 18, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That could be taken as a playful jab, you know. And I agree that many people are too emotionally involved and are having a trouble with perspective. But I can take things a bit more philosophically, so I don’t see that any Bruins fans did anything disrespectful. There’s been no name calling, no ugly putdowns, and no gloating here. If there was, I’d definitely be warning people to stop.

Thank you for the compliments, tho. :o)

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by Cassie McClellan on May 18, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

They may disagree, but they’re being reasonable and respectful. And all reasonable fans have a place here. Just because they don’t have a similar opinion doesn’t make them bad.

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by Cassie McClellan on May 18, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, not trying to be a bitch, but we’ve had fans from all the NHL over stop in and we’ve had very few problems. Don’t blame Boston fans for the team losing. Blame the Lightning for imploding.

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by Cassie McClellan on May 18, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say they should stay with one rule

They should have to type in their accents.

Sawks, Chowdah

 Faaawwwkkk the Bolts just scored again

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by Sveet on May 18, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

And what of the Canadian Bruins fans, eh?

by 13_Legion on May 19, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never said anywhere the Lightning should have won last night

I was more complaining about the overall officiating during the playoffs

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by Sveet on May 18, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, NHL refs suck in general

But I think the possibility for some bias is certainly there. Think: the Lightning are a sunbelt team, a smaller market, have been horrible the last few years, plus they beat a Canadian team in the Finals a few years ago. Not exactly a reputation that will earn any breaks.

Couple that with the fact that they have played the NHL’s darlings of late, the Penguins and the Capitals, and one of the larger markets in the game, Boston, then it would certainly seem like there’s reason to think that NHL bigwigs would at least prefer the other teams over Tampa Bay.

Is it an outright conspiracy? Probably not, but I think there may still be some underlying, perhaps even subconscious, favoritism against the Bolts based on reputation.

by JGator45 on May 18, 2011 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

There are just as many conspiracies in Boston about getting screwed by the refs every time they play the Habs. It’s all passion and opinion.

by 13_Legion on May 19, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

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by Incipient_Senescence on May 18, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, I’d say that pretty much narrows it down. XD

"[The Lightning] are uncanny. When they want to get a goal, it's like they just snap their fingers or hit a button. They just dial it up. You can see it. It's like they flip a switch. When they are down, it's just like they think, 'we know we are going to score.' I don't know what it is, it leaves [the opposition] flabbergasted." - Mike Knuble, 3 May 2011

by MTBoltFan on May 19, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

So sad, but so true!

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by Cassie McClellan on May 19, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

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