Should Tampa sign Brad Richards?
According to capgeek.com; the Tampa Bay Lightning have 22.8 Million in cap space for the 2011-2012, with the expectancy of the cap limit being raised a few million.
This leaves JM Steve Yzerman with a lot of options, and a lot of problems. Tampa currently has 8 Unrestricted Free Agents (UFA) and 4 Restricted Free Agents (RFA). Now, we have all heard the recent rumors of Brad Richards returning to Tampa! However, its hard to realistically believe this is a possibility.
One can dream though. Can't they?
Right now Tampa has to resign superstar Steven Stamkos, sign two goalies, and fill in alot of blank spaces, but we do have the upside of an owner willing to spent the cap limit. Thank you Mr. Vinik.
Here's the Lightning Roster and when they sit.
UFA List
Marc-Andre Bergeron
RFA List
Steven Stamkos
Players Signed
Honestly I would have expected Steven Stamkos to resign by now, and every time I hear a Stamkos rumor involving Toronto I want to puke. Steve Yzerman is as smart as they come, and I can only assume that Stamkos will be signed to a long-term deal around 8M per year, with a cap hit in the 7M range. This would leave Tampa with approximately 15 Million (without the cap raise) to fill in some serious holes.
Teddy Purcell had a breakout season reaching the 50 point mark and he was stellar in the playoffs, can Tampa afford to keep him around? Sean Bergenheim had a heroic playoff run, Eric Brewer was a shot-blocking machine. Do we resign Gagne after he found some long needed chemistry with vinny? Do we resign Roloson for one more year after his playoff heroics? Even Mike Smith was solid in his last few games of the season, AND the rare playoff appearance.
The Lightning surprised us all this year. Anyone who said they would be in Game 7 of the Conference Finals can shake their head, even I was expecting a early exit. Half the players had never even seen the playoffs before...
Lets assume the following;
* Adam Hall resigns for a team friendly 1 Million 2-year deal.
* Dwayne Roloson resigned for one more year at 2 million.
* Teddy Purcell gets a multi-year contract at 3.5 Million
* Bergenheim resigns for approximately 2 Million
* Randy Jones resigned for another year at 1 Million
* MA Bergeron, Gagne, Brewer, Smith walk away from the team.
Now thats a lof of IF's, the numbers will vary and some players do not get signed and others will.
This leaves Tampa with approximately 6-7 Million in cap space to sign Brad Richards. But wait. We would only have 1 goalie signed, 5 defenceman signed, and 11 forwards.
Brad Richards would be willing to take a home town discount, but even if he signs for lets say 5 Million, we have 1-2 Million to sign a backup goalie, 2 defenceman and another forward. That can not work, can it?
I know we have promising prospects and we all (well, most of us) expect Cedrick Desjardins to crack the Lightning roster next season, so some of these holes can and will be filled. But it would put too much stress on our team and our future if we were to resign Brad Richards. I for one am letting go of a dream for the better of our team. I do not want to turn into Chicago and have to trade our assets for virtually nothing.
Thank you for the read. Let me know what you think about signing Richards!
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hall, brewer, smith, MAB, smaby, gagne wont come back. im hoping connolly and ashton can make the roster next year so we have the room to sign richards… i really dont want roloson back hes too old. and a short summer wont help either. i wish we could try to get vokoun or make a trade for schnieder or bernier
I really hope we do not see Ashton or Connolly in TB’s line-up for at least another season. Ashton or Panik may just earn a spot in training camp (Ashton strikes me as likelier but Panik had a great camp last year), but even if one does, I’d expect he’d have to earn his ice time. That means a grinder’s role. I just can’t envision either being thrust into a top-6 role, even if Purcell doesn’t return. So, naturally, you have to ask yourself: what’s better for their development, bottom-6 minutes in Tampa or top-6 minutes on the farm?
Also, I don’t get your hangup on Roloson’s age. It certainly didn’t preclude him from backstopping this club to the ECF did it? It’s not like he’s sitting around eating donuts all summer; the dude’s a physical specimen for his age, much like Roberts was/is. There’s no reason to think he’s got nothing left in the tank. The fact is, if you’re going to bring in Richards, you’re going to have make sacrifices somewhere on your roster. For this club, those sacrifices will have to come on defense and in goal, unless Vokoun can be convinced to take a hefty pay-cut (think 50%) to play here in Tampa.
Oh, and pray tell why Vancouver should ship off their bargain-priced phenom of a backup a year before his ELC expires and LA should break up it’s uber-affordable goaltending tandem a year before they have to make a decision between Quick or Bernier? Then tell me which assets you’d be willing to part with that you think will actually intrigue Gillis and Lombardi.
by Michael Gallimore on Jun 12, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They don’t need him – where would he play? And, personally, I’d rather they kept both Brewer and Gagne. Especially Brewer. They’re very thin on defense as it is.
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by Cassie McClellan on Jun 12, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions
Pardon the length, but...
…with Gagne now off the books, the Lightning do have a need in their top-6. If Yzerman signs Richards, it will be as Gagne’s replacement. One of Lecavalier, Richards or Stamkos would technically be converted to ‘wing’ although you have to keep in mind that in Boucher’s system, beyond face-offs, the forward roles aren’t traditionally defined. Boucher refers to F1, F2 and F3 as opposed to C, LW and RW. Also, you could argue that with the frequency with which ‘centers’ are booted from draws these days, Richards gives you an extra weapon in the face-off circle, although this is probably a very minor strategic advantage.
Now, do the Lightning NEED Brad Richards? No, but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t use him. If the last few seasons are any indication, he’s going to give you somewhere near 25-45 more points than Gagne or other more affordable options are likely to produce in the regular season and Richards has no history of disappearing in the playoffs. Also, Richards would relieve Marty from the point on the PP and eliminate the need to sign a specialist (i.e. M.A. Bergeron).
That said, would signing him impact other roster decisions? Absolutely. Maybe Yzerman can sweet-talk Purcell (who’s eligible for arbitration) and Bergenheim (unsure about his arbitration rights) into very cap-friendly and short-term deals, but one or both might become casualties. And Brewer would probably need to see a longer-term deal to stay south of $4 million. I’d like to see Brewer re-signed too, but if the decision to came down to Richards or Brewer, I’m taking Richards 100% of the time. It’s not like Yzerman gave up a king’s ransom for him and it wasn’t the “thin” defense that was failing the organization for the first half of last season—that was the goaltending, folks.
Thus, if you return Roloson and sign a capable backup (dare I suggest Mike Smith) on very affordable deals, there’s no reason to think Ohlund, Kubina, Hedman, Clark, Lundin and a couple of bargain-priced free agents (think of Yzerman’s signing of Randy Jones late last summer) can’t hold the fort until the trade deadline begins approaching next season. It’s a calculated risk as you enter the season not knowing for certain who will be available but when you’re up against the cap or you want to reign in your spending, letting another organization pay and accumulate 2/3 of the salary and cap hit of a guy you would otherwise like to have signed or traded for in the off-season is a huge win. Especially when you’re a GM that has already demonstrated an ability to a) identify undervalued talent and b) convince other GMs to less-than-vital assets.
There is a way to fit both Richards and Brewer, and again, ideally you’d keep both, but that probably necessitates trading or not re-signing somebody unless money and cap space is no issue to Vinik or Yzerman respectively. I just don’t see Yzerman emulating Paul Holmgren’s cap management anytime soon.
Whether we see Richards in the new Lightning sweater next season depends on where Yzerman sees the team’s priorities AND when he thinks they can be accomplished. There’s pros and cons to both his return and to taking a pass. I won’t be surprised, or disappointed, whatever comes to pass. Really.
by Michael Gallimore on Jun 12, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Not July 1st yet...
I wouldn’t assume Gags is gone just yet. Stevie Y may have some jedi mind tricks up his sleeve yet.
He’s probably gone, that I will not argue. But we’re more than 14 days away from the earliest UFAs can sign with another team—a bit premature to call him “off the books” for good, IMHO.
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I think Gagne will stay, too. He said when he got there that he didn’t ask to be traded to Tampa Bay for just one season. And there’s no way he’ll go back to Philly, at this point – not after how they treated him.
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by Cassie McClellan on Jun 15, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Context.
I didn’t mean to imply Gagne is gone for good, but rather that, contractually, the Lightning have no further obligation to him.
I was just pointing out that if you look at a current depth chart, it is apparent the Lightning DO have a need for a top-6 winger. The solution very well may end up being Gagne himself. And I would have no qualms with that; Simon is a good soldier and, after a disappointing (in some respects) regular season, finished strong.
by Michael Gallimore on Jun 15, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice write-up, Killhowe...
…but as for a couple of your assumptions:
A) Adam Hall resigns a 2-year, $1 million deal is anything but “team-friendly”. I love the dude’s intangibles but when you Google ‘expendable’, his face should pop up. I can see him being re-signed but if it is beyond 1-year and it’s more than 675k, Yzerman got Yzerman-ed.
B) Teddy Purcell can get a multi-year contract at $3.5 million…elsewhere. Seriously, he was a great story last season, but such a deal is beyond generous; it’s Feaster-eque! I’m not knocking the kid but he’s essentially in the same spot Downie was last off-season: one year of solid production playing top-6 minutes under his belt. I’d expect Yzerman to offer something closer to $2 million (which is a little more than Downie got). You’ve got to keep in mind that if Ashton, Connolly and Panik are in the plans for the relative near-future, you can’t be stuck with bloated contracts for the 3rd-wheels on your top lines. If and when Purcell’s earning that kind of money, I strongly suspect it will be for a different club.
Just my take. Fine work, though!
by Michael Gallimore on Jun 12, 2011 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
I hope he's signed for less
But what he did in the playoffs, was a lot more surprising than his season stats. The kid has nowhere to go but up in my books, I know the numbers will always vary I was just estimating. But yeah now that I look at it 3.5 is a little hefty, he hasn’t proven himself yet.
2-2.5 would be a great contract for a few years!
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proposed lines....
malone, stamkos, stlouis
richards, lecavalier, purcell
bergenheim moore downie
tyrell thompson ashton
ohlund brewer
hedman kubina
clark lundin
jones
vokoun/roloson
desjardins
LOL, where doe sthe money come from with all that? Vokoun? You know how many teams will be after him? And Richards. And Bergenheim. All signed/ re-signed.
It doesn’t work. You want Vokoun? You sacrifice most other free agent signings — RFA and UFA. Youw ant Richards? You sacrifice both Gagne and Bergenheim.
I hate to break it to everyone, but we can’t have our cake and eat it too.
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by John Fontana on Jun 13, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
malone (4.5) stamkos(7.5) st. louis (5.25)
richards (6.5) lecavalier(7.7) purcell (2)
bergenheim(1.2) moore(1.1) downie (1.85)
tyrell(.845) thompson(.625) ashton (?)
ohlund(3.6) brewer (4)
hedman (3.5) kubina (3.85)
clark (1.5) lundin (1)
jones (1)
vokoun (4)/ roloson (2)
desjardins (?)
that comes out to…. 63.5 mill if ashton and desjardins are each making 1 mill and we get vokoun… if we sign roloson instead then its only 61.5 and we 1.5 under the cap. so technically richards could be signed for 7. it is possible to make it work.
Feasible, yes, but probable?
1. Thompson is making $900k next season.
2. I would expect Yzerman to sign Blair Jones, Adam Hall or a vet free agent for around $600k and play on the 4th line before Ashton (whose cap hit is $1,070,000)
3. Again, I really don’t think Yzerman is going to pull a Holmgren here and leave the team with little to no breathing room against the league salary cap (which, unless I’m mistaken, has not officially been announced. It may not even end up being as high as $63.5 million).
4. You might as well forget about Desjardins. He’s got a shoulder injury that’s going to keep him out of action until well after training camp. I think it’s a long-shot he even gets re-signed and even if he does, I doubt it’s to serve as the NHL backup.
by Michael Gallimore on Jun 13, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
They’re not going to rush any of the young guys — not Tokarski, not Ashton, not Connolly, not Panik.
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by John Fontana on Jun 13, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
personally i thought ashton and panik could have played last season. we are forgetting about wright too. im sure he will be in the mix again but he never performed too well in the NHL. by the looks of things tho connolly will get every shot to make this team this year. hes on a really hard training program right now to get heavier and stronger
Might as well trade Killer (James Wright) if they bring Richards back.
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by Cassie McClellan on Jun 13, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not following this logic...
If Richards returns, it’s for a top-6 role and I have a hard time believing Boucher drops Lecavalier or Stamkos to the 3rd line. Hard-pressed to believe anybody but Dominic Moore will still be anchoring that 3rd line.
Wright is still probably a year away from the big show but even if he’s promoted this upcoming season, it seems likely it would be to serve as a winger (Bergenheim’s replacement) for the 3rd or 4th line (Hall’s replacement) and not as a center. Of course, if Boucher decides to slot Thompson in as the 3rd line winger if Bergenheim departs, then I can see Wright getting serious consideration for the 4th line pivot.
by Michael Gallimore on Jun 14, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s another center – a position with which the Lightning are overflowing at. Adding Richards makes pretty much any center in the minors expendable. Particularly if Richards is looking for a long-term deal, which I believe that he is.
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by Cassie McClellan on Jun 14, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
A) Again, Richards would not be the one squeezing Wright IF he returns. Richards would be coming here as Gagne’s replacement in the top-6 and NOT to give the Lightning the league’s best 1-2-3 punch down the middle. Richards may very well play center here, but this most likely means either Stamkos or Lecavalier will move to the wing. IMO, Wright’s future with this organization is contingent upon what Yzerman does with the bottom-6 this season and next.
B) Boucher’s system does not rely on traditionally defined roles for forwards. I’m not saying it’s a complete free-for-all once the puck is dropped,
C) I do believe Wright is being groomed as a pivot for the lower lines, but just because Wright has been playing center in Norfolk does not mean he has to play ‘center’ in Tampa. Even in a system with more traditionally defined roles, it’s a fairly easy adjustment from center to wing. Many players are asked to make this adjustment; sometimes it’s a matter of perceived ability or organizational need. There’s no slight in it; having Moore and Thompson in the mix for the foreseeable future does not necessitate having to dump Wright as he can always play ‘wing’.
D) I’m not sold on the notion that Tampa is stacked at ‘center’, either. Look at this organization chart (courtesy of BoltProspects). If anything, they could use more ‘center’ options in the pipeline, IMO. I doubt that both Moore and Thompson are in the long-term plans for this club. One or both may be gone within a season or two. Wright should, if he continues to progress, have a legit shot at replacing one of these two and assume their place on the PK and at the face-off dot. Beyond Wright, you’re looking at Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn as the other promising ‘center’ prospects, however both are probably 3-4 years away from serious consideration as Johnson is coming out juniors and Killorn is still plugging away at Harvard. Both will probably get extensive seasoning before they get a chance to sniff ice at the Forum. James Mullin had a superb season for Fargo of the USHL but he’s committed to playing for Miami (OH). And that about sums up the Lightning’s prospects at ‘center’.
by Michael Gallimore on Jun 14, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Bergenheim raised his profile substantially during the playoffs. I’m going to tell you what I tell others privately: Sean WILL get offered Top-line minutes and top-line money this off-season. If he’s willing to take less to stay in Tampa, that’s amazing. But I don’t expect him to take that much less. He’s an NHL veteran who finally showed the league he does in fact have a scoring touch.
Odds are, he’s gone. I wish him nothing but the best. Tampa’s not going to get into a bidding war to retain him for the 3rd line. Not when they can get Adam Hall and Blair Jones back to play the agitator/pest/checking role.at likely less than it would take to get Isberg under contract.
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by John Fontana on Jun 13, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Bergenheim will be offered top-line minutes and top-line money this offseason. But I think he’ll turn them down. He strikes me as the kind of guy who’d pick team loyalty (more importantly, the team’s loyalty to him) over money and ego. But, that’s just my opinion.
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by Cassie McClellan on Jun 13, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
To some extent, I believe that too. He had great chemistry with Moore and Downie, I’m sure he would LOVE to come back next season, but he may just be tempted with top-line minutes and more money elsewhere :(
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in my opinion i dont sign him for any more than 1.5 a season. he still didnt do much in the regular season and an unsung hero always comes out in the playoffs. he will get offered prob a 2 yr 6 mill dollar deal from someone to play 2nd line or something but it will be on a bad team. if he wants to be on a winner he knows hes 3rd line
actually i saw an interview with bergenheim after the season ended
and while it sounded like he wasnt trying to give too much away by the tone of his voice he sounded like he didnt want to stay or atleast test the market…. after being in the league for awhile not making much money i think if hes got a shot to go play top line minutes for more money than he will take it. has he even made over a mill ever in a season?
Yes, Bergenheim leaving looks like a strong possibility.
And who could fault him for taking a multi-year deal for significant $$$ (perhaps $3m per). I would love to have him back; he can play a variety of roles when called upon, but you’re right, this team can’t afford to pay him a premium for what he brings and if a premium is what it will take to retain him, the Lightning would be better served going with an internal solution or identifying another undervalued bargain.
I can’t help but see a lot of Ruslan Fedotenko in Bergenheim. I expect his career will play out similarly; maybe a career goal-scoring year once or twice but mostly seasons of decent productivity (30-40 points). If and when a team pays a premium for Bergenheim, there’s also a good chance they’re going to be sorely disappointed when his regular season production doesn’t match the hoped-for results. Then again, maybe he does end up consistently notching 20+ goals and around 50 points a season, but I doubt it.
by Michael Gallimore on Jun 14, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
what about fedotenko coming back?
he would be cheaper than bergy and play similar minutes and points on the third line with moore and downie
Why do people want to re-create the 2004 Stanley Cup winning team? That was seven years ago. Even the guys who are left aren’t the same players they were then. I think it’s time to move on to other players and start living in the present, instead of living in the past, frankly.
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by Cassie McClellan on Jun 15, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I get what you're saying and I'm not pining for a Fedotenko redux...
…but it’s not like TK was suggesting Dingman un-retire. There is sufficient reason to think Fedotenko could be a worthwhile plug until Yzerman is ready to promote one of the kids (i.e. Ashton). Consider that Feds put up 25 points (10G, 15A) averaging 15 minutes a night in 66 games last season with the Rangers. Production-wise, that’s right on par with Bergenheim, who managed 4 more points in 14 more games with 1 less minute of ice-time each night on average.
Now, do I think Fedotenko has all of Bergenheim’s intangibles? Heck no. But IF Fedotenko is truly willing to sign for cheap (sub $1 million) and Bergenheim is truly looking to max the return on his playoff performance, I’d at least give Fedotenko some consideration.
by Michael Gallimore on Jun 15, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not complaining specifically about Fedotenko, just that a lot of Lightning fans automatically think of players from the 2004 Cup winning team to fill holes first, instead of looking around to see what’s available.
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by Cassie McClellan on Jun 15, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree with Michael and John
Bergy is likely gone, though Y will make an offer. I think Rolli will sign at $2.5mil, if they resign Brewer then Jones and Bergeron are likely history. Vokoun wants a raise over the $5.65mil per he makes now. Richards will only be signed if Malone ( NMC ) and Kubina ( NTC ) can be moved and replaced cheaply and effectively. Yzerman has said the Payroll WILL go up, not that Tampa Bay would spend to the CAP. I think all the RFA’s except Bergenheim will be resigned and Jones and Bergeron will return only if Brewer is not resigned. Don’t be surprised to see Mike Smith as the backup at a much reduced salary.
Don in St Pete
theres no way we resign roloson to the same he was making last yr. hes over 40. we can sign him to make the cap hit much less
i considered moving malone too but hes making 4.5 mill…… and vokoun knows he wont get 6 mill from a cup contender. 4 is a good number for him if he wants to win. otherwise he can just resign with florida…. take your pick…4 mill to come to tampa or 6 to stay in sunrise?
I was going to recommend Filip Kuba as an inexpensive replacement for Kubina
But I see that his cap hit is only $150,000 less than Kubina’s, so never mind.
I'd vote
But there’s no option for “they should, but can’t because of cap space issues.”
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