Rival Panthers A Whole New Beast
Do you know what's weird about the Florida Panthers right now? The color scheme and crazy-eyed panther in their current ad campaign reminds me of Darth Maul. Creepy. If they could somehow get their whole uniform to remind me of Darth Maul (who was the only good thing about the prequels), I would probably buy a jersey and wear it all the time not laugh out loud at people wearing Panthers stuff.
So, there are only two things wrong with the title of this article. First, the Panthers are not a beast, at least not in the literal sense. They are a professional hockey franchise, and not a beast. Metaphorically they might be a beast... a confused Frankenstein's monster of a beast with a brand new head and a bunch of weird limbs that have just been stitched on.
They are also really not a serious rival of the Tampa Bay Lightning. Sure, the teams share a state and that makes them logical rivals, but a rivalry based on nothing more than geography is a little sad.
Could this be the year that both teams ice strong, competitive squads? Well, I don't know about that, but I know this: a whole bunch of people are hoping for this lame-ass rivalry to heat up in a big way.
Okay, here's how to recycle material out of a previous blog post: on July 7th I hosted Raw Charge's Question of the Week, and asked what teams people want to see this coming season. With Brad Richardsjoining John Tortorella in New York, and the Flyerschanging everything except their DNA, I expected those teams would receive a lot of attention from the Bolt-o-sphere's faithful readership and dutiful scribes.
But being a Lightning blogger who doesn't actually have his feet on the ground in the Bay area, I was way off from reading local minds.
Four of the six responding Raw Charge staffers mentioned the Panthers, and fifty percent of the 84 poll respondents said they couldn't wait to see what the kitties have done.
"I would love to see an actual, honest-to-goodness rivalry FINALLY develop with the Panthers," said RC blogger Clark Brooks. "For whatever reason, Florida and Tampa Bay's teams always seem to be going in opposite directions."
With the Lightning's competitive squad, and the Panthers sweeping changes, Brooks is hopeful things will start to change. "Hopefully the Panthers have finally bottomed out and will start an upswing."
RC blogger Tina Robinson agreed. "One reason for a true rivalry to develop is both teams have to be good at the same time," she said. "With the Panthers' new additions, it is a very real possibility this coming season."
Cassie McClellan, one of RC's managing editors, is looking forward to the carnage that the season could bring if the Panthers manage to improve. "Injuries and intense competition fuel rivalries, and the teams just haven't been good at the same time to really brew any bad blood," she wrote, noting that a strengthened rivalry between the two teams would be good news for the NHL, as well as for amateur hockey in the state of Florida.
But what changes have the Panthers made? Have they done anything at all this off-season?
I'm glad you asked, friend.
The Panthers, led by GM Dale Tallon, have undergone such gruesome surgery that a team of forensic zoologists wouldn't be able to tell if the resultant beast (but not really a beast) were still technically a "panther." The 2011-2012 Florida team will be called the Duck-Billed Pantherypuses, that's how "rebuilt" they are.
But there's rebuilt, and rebuilt, isn't there? You know what I mean. Changing all the players doesn't mean you've got a good new team. You've just got a bunch of guys. The coach will have to bring these guys together. Well, Tallon replaced the coach, too. Pete Deboer is out (the Devils already hired him) and 1,000+ game NHL vet and successful AHL coach Kevin Dineen is in, for his first crack at an NHL head coaching job.
"I want to see if Kevin Dineen can make a salad out of the talent that has been tossed his way," RC's other managing editor John Fontana remarked.
And what kind of vegetables has Dineen been tossed? Well, there's the cool cucumber Brian Campbell, acquired in trade from Chicago. What did they give up for him? The Panthers were last in the Eastern Conference. Who cares what they gave up? He's a fast-skating offensive defenceman (have they ever really had that?), he has won the magical Cup recently, and he makes a ton of money, which the Panthers really want to pay.
What's that? Did someone mention how much the PANTHERS WANT TO SPEND MONEY?????
Okay, they traded everybody worth an NHL roster spot last year, except for Stephen Weiss. Now their payroll is only Weiss plus $85. What should they do? I know. SIGN EVERYBODY!
So Dale Tallon pulled himself up to the UFA table like Homer at a seafood buffet, and dug his face in. What did he come away with? More vegetables:
There's the wise old tomato Ed Jovanovski, who you guys might remember but you don't because you started cheering for the Lightning in 2004. He played for the Panthers way back in the Twentieth Century, before getting traded in a package to Vancouver for Pavel Bure. Since then, "Jovo-Cop," or "Fat Eddy," has become a tough old D-man. Slow. Physical. Leadershippy. He's put in his time playing in Vancouver and Phoenix. Now he's ready for a big-time, serious hockey market. Like in Sunrise.
Who else has come on board? There's Jose Theordore, who won the Hart and Vezina in 2001-2002. He's been little more than a journeyman since, though. He is an adequate replacement for departed workhorse Tomas Vokoun, who will be making frequent visits as a member of the Washington Capitals.
New winger Scottie Upshall is a big name with a single twenty goal season behind him. At 27, he may be ready to break out, and that's a common theme with a lot of the forwards the Panthers have brought in. They have a lot of upside, but for the cats to win, they'll need breakout seasons. Tomas Kopecky, also acquired in a trade from Chicago, is 29, with a career high of 42 points last year. How high can he go?
Likewise Tomas Fleischmann, who split last season between the Caps and Avs. He's 27 years old, with one twenty goal season behind him. Will he break out?
Kris Versteeg? He struggled with scoring line minutes in Toronto last year, and felt more comfortable when he was able to play a third line role in Philly. Where will he play in Sunrise? And can he handle the constant, intense media scrutiny? (giggle)
Another third liner that will likely be playing more minutes will be Lightning playoff clutch-scorer Sean Bergenheim. With Sean, like a lot of these other players, we'll be waiting to see what they'll be capable of doing with prime ice time and power play minutes. Because Tallon has added a group of excellent third line players and low-end second liners. Some of these guys will have to be on the top line.
Will they be able to come together, all find comfortable roles, and be a FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH?
That remains to be seen. My guess? A lot of carnage and hilarity. The Panthers should be better. But will they be good? Good enough to make Lightning fans shake their fists and shout family-friendly curses?
I hope so. Bring on the hate! Wow, that makes a great sign off.
For Raw Charge, I'm Nolan Whyte.
Bring on the hate!
(Nolan Whyte writes about the Lightning at Raw Charge and at Frozen Sheets Hockey. Follow his tweets @nolanwhyte.)
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Awesome Post
I HATE those damn Panthers. :D Just kidding. I don’t really. But I could if the circumstances required it.
I’ve said before that a good rivalry would create a lot of buzz, which I think benefits both teams. I hope that the Panthers do gel enough to make for some good competitive games over the next several years.
(Anyway, thanks for taking me out of the misery of #WeberWatch for a little while. I’m going back in my cave now. Call me when it’s over. Or whatever.)
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
Considering we went 4-2 against the Lightning last season, I’m surprised there isn’t more hate. I mean, we were pretty much an AHL team after February. How could you not demolish us?
Anyways, looking forward to a repeat of last seasons Home Opener. Remember? :D
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It’s because the Lightning last season had a tendency to play hard teams well and easy teams, well, easy.
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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 1, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
except for Atlantapeg
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 1, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
A bunch of overpaid 3rd//4th liners playing top-6 minutes ahead of a mediocre defense don’t make the Panthers good.
Maybe better, but not good.
Following the Lightning all the way from Brasil!
Actually the D wasnt bad last year… had a killer Power Play and were 14th in goals allowed, with Wideman & MxCabe playing high minutes….
And I think this year’s Panthers have a shot a being good with as unpredictable as the East can be (Assuming you call a playoff spot as being good…)
And more importantly, the defense didn’t get any worse when McCabe & Wideman got traded. The D was still good at the end of the season and most of those guys are still on the team.
Now, can the Cats finally make scoring by committee work? That remains to be seen but Boston did pretty well with it this year. Obviously we don’t have their goaltending or Zdeno Chara, but a playoff spot is not out of the question, if Dineen can make a team out of these guys.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
Litter Box Cats - Your Panthers Colossus.
The D wasn't bad
And it will get better now that they’ve signed Gudbranson. I will be interested to see how he does compared to Fowler—since Fowler has a year’s head start at the NHL-level of play.
"The Revolution will be complete when the language is perfect"
- Smith in Orwell's 1984
i hope the panthers make the playoffs
but they would be an 8 seed. and get torched by washington or pitt in the first round. but id like to see both florida teams make it and all the california teams. just so people shut up about the south. sorry dallas. plus i wanna see if they brought the rats back out. look at bergenheim tho u give him guys to play with and he played much better. they have a lot of energy on that team now. dont forget about booth either. but versteeg, kopy, and campbell all won a cup together. they know what it takes to win. they got much better and we couldnt beat them before(a lot of that had to do with vokoun.) but still. bolts are also better this year too. i think the panthers games always have the lowest attendance of any team we play.
my "people shut up about the South" dream:
Bolts beat Canes in the ECF and then the Preds in the SCF (see sig).
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 1, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I…err…I…ugh……..ack…….uhhhh……
Hunh. I am having a surprisingly hard time with that last part. :) Maybe its the 9 years I have invested in the Preds. I love the Bolts win the SCF part; I hate the Preds lose part. I guess I need to rethink my whole Preds-Bolts Stanley Cup Final dream. Rats.
How’s this? Bolts win this year, Preds win next. Compromise. Problem solved.
(But it won’t shut people up about the South. Southern teams have won before and it’s still going on. [PS. I just learned that it’s really important to proofread before clicking post.])
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
don't think about the Preds losing the SCF
think about the Preds making the SCF. And if they alternate Cups, I wouldn’t have a big problem with that.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 1, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
At this moment, I’m sort of p*ssed off at the team. I’m sure I’ll be okay later, but I just can’t believe they couldn’t get a simple one year deal done so they wouldn’t have to go into that room and wreck the chances of signing Shea long term. And I swear, if they lose Pekka next year…………
So at this moment, I am unable to visualize the Preds making the SCF.
[end venting] Thank you for listening.
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
i think the panthers games always have the lowest attendance of any team we play.
Really? Over here, it’s consistently Atlanta. And it’s not even close. I’m curious to see if their new digs changes anything or if people here still don’t care to see a game against the ThrasherJets.
"We don't need the designated goon. Those fights aren't even fun to watch." -Mike Milbury
Litter Box Cats - Your Panthers Colossus.
well we are going to know really fast whether it will be a rivalry or not
we play the cats in a back to back games 5 and 6 of the season. including our home opener(you better bet ill be there)
They are definitey a better team.
In goal: It was a wash, but more realistically a negative replacing Vokun with Theodore.
On defense: An already solid d-corpse gets an upgrade in Campbell, Jovo-cop and Gudbranson
On offense: An AHL offense from the end of last year is upgraded with 2nd-3rd line players
All signs point to them being better and I would love nothing more than to havea 1-8 matchup of the Tampa/Florida to really get the in-state rivalry going. While the NHL’s post-lockout formula of over-playing your division was supposed to create rivalries, the truth is playoff series’ is what really creates hatred between teams and fan-bases.
I'd think you'd at least be able to find live bodies to play defense
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 2, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t necessarily call Jovanovski’s return as an upgrade. I think the Panthers believe he’s the blueliner he was a couple years back. I think he’ll end up being the Panthers’ version of Kubina—a big slow d-man whose beat years are behind him.
"The Revolution will be complete when the language is perfect"
- Smith in Orwell's 1984
by MTBoltFan on Aug 2, 2011 11:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it will take more than one playoff series
to really get people emotional about the Bolts and Panthers playing each other, unless something horrible happens. I take this observation from my experience with Nashville’s Western Conference rivalries.
We “hate” Detroit because they’ve been better than us forever. That’s years’ worth of frustration building up and 2 series. Some fans hate San Jose for the 2 times they knocked us out, but most don’t care. Almost no one hates Chicago anymore for the one series. Apparently a lot of people hate Vancouver right now, but I doubt that will last at that level, sort of like the Chicago thing. The only exception is a certain California team, and it took about 18 dirty plays, the attempted killing of Martin Erat, multiple attacks on my goalie, and really awful public comments by the coach and GM as well as the fans to get to this point….* ahem * Sorry, I just feel rather strongly about that particular team. ;)
In other words, unless one team becomes the villain of the piece, it’ll take more than one season for this rivalry to develop.
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
Sounds like you guys are running scared of your once hardly noticeable rival (whom whooped yo’s asses last year!!) that is suddenly relevant and stole your playoff hero. This is great!
BeeTeeDubs…with offseason additions/subtractions, the Panthers have 6 20+ goal scorers (Weiss, Booth, Santorelli, Upshall, Versteeg, Fleishmann) and 3 10+ goal scorers (Kopecky, Bergenheim and Goc) plus up-and-coming Evgeny Dadonov who can put up 15-20 based on last year.
For comparison, TB has 1 40+ scorer, 1 30+ scorer, 1 20+ scorer, and 5 10+ scorers.
Fear us.
If you have to tell us to fear you, then we don’t. ;o)
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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 2, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 2, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
To expand even more, Panthers scored 191 goals last year, with additions/subtractions factored in, are now a 198 goal team. TB scored 241 last year, are a 231 goal team now. Yes, Tampa has the advantage, but the gap is closing.
To add to that, Booth and Weiss can easily score 30+ with new legit line mates, the Panthers defense is arguably the best in the SE (WSH is the only competition)

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