Politics, credit downgrading, and hockey; or how NHL contraction could end up on the table
With the United States credit downgrade, you can expect a certain faction of NHL fans voicing angrily how the Canadian teams are keeping the league afloat. This is going to lead to arguments contraction and who ought to be contracted. And this talk will also focus almost entirely upon teams in warm climates.
Of course, no one knows exactly how this credit downgrade thing will affect everything. For all we know, nothing will change. However, considering how the global stock markets have fallen so far since the announcement, that doesn't seem very likely.
So, be prepared for the worst-case hockey scenario: that the Canadian dollar rises sharply over the US dollar in worth in the next year. Why does this matter to hockey? Because it mattered a lot to hockey 10+ years ago, when the roles were reversed.
When I was still living in my home state of Washington, I resided in a town that was 20 miles from the Canadian border. Bellingham is about halfway between Seattle and Vancouver, BC, distance-wise. Time-wise, Vancouver was a bit farther away than Seattle due to the border crossing.
Ten years ago or so, when I was living there, the Canadian dollar was about 56 cents to the US dollar, at its lowest that I can remember. That is, when a Canadian came to the United States to go shopping and converted their money to American money - which happens very often - they got $0.56 US for every $1 Canadian. Once, I heard one Canadian ask another Canadian jokingly if he wanted to see the new US 50-cent piece, and he then handed his friend a Canadian dollar coin. That's how bad it was.
Since all NHL contracts are done in US money, which started in the 1990s due to the currency value disparity, Canadian teams were paying almost twice as much in their money for players. This led to some serious financial difficulties for teams. At one point, both Edmonton and Calgary were considering moving to US cities for economic relief. Winnipeg and Québec City did. American teams were supporting Canadian teams through that mess - which no one was complaining about that at all at the time.
So now flip that scenario around, and you could see how this could get ugly - especially considering how there are only seven teams in Canada and there are 23 in the United States.
Add to that is the fact that there are at least six American-based NHL teams that are obviously having ownership/financial issues. And there are rumors that there are more than those six that aren't being made public. Those six are the Columbus Blue Jackets, the Dallas Stars, the Florida Panthers, the New York Islanders, the Phoenix Coyotes, and the St. Louis Blues.
Obviously, no matter what they say and how well their dollar is doing, Canada cannot take in six more NHL teams. They just don't have the people or the money. Which is why talk may turn into contraction more so than relocation.
And who will the targets be? Who else? Sun Belt teams.
It'll be the same stuff we've all been hearing for years about how Sun Belt teams aren't worthy because it doesn't snow there. But now they could have a legitimate financial reason to back up those arguments. And, naturally, they'll ignore those teams having difficult times in colder climates - as this group of people typically do.
And we'll all get a front row seat due to Winnipeg being a part of the Southeast Division this coming season, too. Remember, the Lightning will be on Hockey Night in Canada quite a bit more because of Winnipeg. Which most likely means that if you want to watch those games, you'll have to get NHL GameCenter or NHL Center Ice to do so. Then you'll get to hear all about it from the Canadians themselves.
So what does this mean to you? Probably nothing if you don't pay much attention to hockey news outside of the Tampa market. If you're a fan of the Southeast Division generally, however, it means that there's going to be a lot of talk surrounding the Florida Panthers and contraction. If you're a fan of hockey in the American South, it also means that there's going to be a lot of talk about the Nashville Predators being contracted as well.
What it boils down to is there could be this tug-of-war between Canadians and Americans over the NHL. And the talk could get very ugly and very nationalist - particularly on the Canadian side. This bitterness over the Atlanta Thrashers moving to become the second incarnation of the Winnipeg Jets will be a very minor dispute in comparison.
If the value of the American dollar continues to sink, then Canadians will not want to support 23 NHL teams. Not that all 23 teams will need it, of course. A few of which many of them feel don't deserve to be in the warm places that they are. And right now, the Phoenix Coyotes and the Florida Panthers are public enemies #1 and #2 as it is. Just imagine how much worse it could get if the Canadian dollar ends up worth twice as much as the American dollar.
Sort of puts front-loaded contracts and rising salary caps into a whole different perspective, doesn't it.
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Great post, but a depressing possibility
We really don’t need any more jingoism in hockey. Canadians should be proud that so many people love something they identify with so closely.
(I’m sure I’d have more to say if I wasn’t coming down with a cold today. Great post Cassie, I’m going to go home and chug some OJ and curl up on the sofa.)
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Thanks – hope you feel better. :o)
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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 8, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
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by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 8, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Solid article
I’m curious whether or not things will get to a point where contraction is a real possibility… I hope not, though. I guess we’ll see.
I can’t help but snicker a bit about the demonization of “the Canadians,” though. Yeah, there are dumb folks out there who don’t realize that hockey can do well in sunny climes, but that’s not everyone. And yeah, most Canadians would prefer to watch their team play against another Canadian team, and cheer for Canadian squads before American ones; but tell me the opposite isn’t true, too.
Realistically, Canada can take on maybe two teams right now—look at Quebec and Southern Ontario—but that’s it. So you’re bang on in saying that if the American economy doesn’t rebound, and if financially struggling teams can’t find other buyers, the league might have to look at contraction. Man, that would suck.
Looking forward, this isn’t an ‘us versus them’ thing. It’s a hockey fan thing, wherever you are, because if the NHL is looking at contraction, our beloved game is in serious trouble.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Aug 8, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
In all actuality, most American hockey fans do not make the distinction between American-based teams and Canadian-based teams. It’s all one league and the location of the team doesn’t typically play into that at all, except in a rivalry sort of way. It might be a little different for the Original Six teams fans, but for the rest of the league, people couldn’t care less if the team is in Canada or in the US.
Peter, I’ve gotten into a lot of arguments with Canadians about hockey over the years, and for many Canadians, it really does boil down to “us versus them” – Canadians versus Americans. Especially when it comes to hockey, in fact. I’ve found far more Canadians who are possessive about the sport of hockey than ones who aren’t. It’s “their” game, and “they” get to decide on how it should be played, by who, and where.
Admittedly, not all Canadian hockey fans are like that. But, as I’ve said, in my experience more are than not. And it’s because hockey is the biggest part of a Canadian’s national identity – despite having so many other wonderful things to be proud of in your country – and the US is good at so many other things that Canadians want to have one thing they’re better at than Americans.
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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 8, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
HNIC actually benefits me here in Niagara Falls, Ontario! To me, it means more games on the big screen rather then online streaming :p
Canadian hockey fans CAN be a little “cocky” at times, saying that the best players are Canadian, and that we invented the game, and that its our game and all that bullish*t that does not matter what so ever. I think the main reason that some Canadians are like this is because almost everyone in Canada watches and loves hockey, and thats very different in the States. Hockey might be the least favourite popular sport in the states.
But I think ALL hockey fans understand the financial situations in the NHL right now and are all in this together.
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Really great post Cassie.
I’m not going to defend those Canadians (probably a larger group than I care to admit) who feel that the cure to all the ills of the NHL is to move teams to Canada. It’s a naive and shortsighted opinion. But I do think that the idea is routed in a rivalry between the US and Canada that is very hard for some in the US to understand.
We want to be seen as equals to the US but it doesn’t often work out that way for us. Have you ever been travelling and been mistaken for a Canadian? I’ve been mistaken for an American more times than I can count. In almost every sport you can think of you routinely hand us our asses. All of this and more breeds a very one sided rivalry that most Americans don’t even know exists. In an effort to come ahead for a change we lash out when it comes to the one thing we feel superior at which happens to be hockey. Like I said it’s not right but hopefully you can understand a little where it comes from.
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Oh, I completely understand. What those touchy Canadians don’t get is that it’s not reciprocated. Americans don’t try to hoard baseball from everyone, after all, so why should Canadians try to hoard hockey? And it’s not as if we’re trying to take the sport away from Canada, either. So it’s boggling to us. And the unwarranted abuse isn’t very fun, either.
Don’t get me wrong – I genuinely like Canadians. I think the country is beautiful and the people very nice, for the most part. But just because someone’s feeling insecure doesn’t mean that they should take it out on us. After all, it’s their problem, not ours.
And thank you for the compliment. :o)
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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 8, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You may not try and hoard baseball but you also have a lot more than baseball too. We just have hockey while you have hockey, baseball, football, basketball, an so on. It’s our thing and it’s leaving here for there. When I loudly cheered for the Lightning in 2004 I got a lot of dirty looks from people wondering why I wouldn’t cheer for “Canada’s Team” even though there were plenty of Canadians on both teams. It’s crazy but thats the way it is.
And aside from the Thrasher recent move to Winnipeg (something I think will fail by the way) all relocation relocation has been one way – Nordiques, Jets, Expos, Grizzlies – so you’ve never dealt with our side of it. You’ve heard people say you don’t belong but you haven’t really had to deal with losing the one thing you’ve got.
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The difference here is that, for Canadians, they attach nationalism to hockey. For Americans, we attach nationalism to our history. So while baseball is “America’s past time”, we don’t think it belongs to us because it’s not tied up into what we think we are. Therefore, we don’t see borders when it comes to any sports. If the Dodgers move to some place like Montreal, then okay. But it would still suck that that baseball team didn’t work in Southern California.
There is no “we can’t let Canada have this team” sort of thinking here because we don’t care if Canada gets a team or not. The problems with the Thrashers going to Winnipeg was about the Winnipeg fans and the Atlanta ownership, not about Canada. The problem with the Coyotes leaving Phoenix isn’t that they’ll go to Canada, but that it’s hard to make a losing team work any place – especially when ownership is so unsettled. The problem with Quebec City getting a hockey team isn’t about Canada, but simply about teams moving. The Canadian media having issues with Sun Belt teams isn’t about Canada, but about the media itself for being so traditional and shortsighted – which isn’t just a Canadian issue as some Americans think that way as well, tho a majority of the people who have problems with Sun Belt teams do tend to be Canadian.
There’s a distinction there that people are missing, probably because they don’t realize that Americans take it all on a case-by-case basis and not on a national basis.
And Canada does have football, also curling, golf, and some Major League Soccer. They sell themselves short by focusing on just one game. I’ve never understood that. They have so much more to be proud of than just hockey, but they ignore it all for some reason.
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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 8, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
And Canada does have football, also curling, golf, and some Major League Soccer. They sell themselves short by focusing on just one game. I’ve never understood that. They have so much more to be proud of than just hockey, but they ignore it all for some reason.
This is like saying, “People in Alabama also have minor-league baseball, so I don’t understand their single-minded focus on college football.”
That’s the comparison to make: Hockey in Canada is a lot like college football in the South. Yes, people play other sports, but they aren’t nearly so important or widely-followed. They’re both – hockey and college football – ingrained in the culture in both places. If you don’t get it, you don’t get it.
And just to expand on this a little...
…because I just thought of this point: It’s also like college football in the South in that people are happiest in both cases when their guys are beating the living tar out of the other guys.
Does it bother the South that they play college football in other parts of the country? Maybe not particularly, but, when are they happiest? They are happiest when the SEC is rolling right over every other conference. And in Canada? They are happiest when their teams and their players are rolling right over those from every other country.
The fans of SEC schools don’t believe that other schools exist outside of their conference. Neither do fans of ACC schools. It’s just their conferences, and nothing else. The only time they’re happy about rolling over teams from other conferences is if that team is ranked higher than theirs. That’s it. Otherwise, they couldn’t care less.
I understand what you’re saying, but you’re missing my point. My point isn’t that Canadians follow those sports, it’s that they should follow those other sports and take pride in them. There’s absolutely no reason to be so single-minded about hockey – except to be willfully so.
To use your example of football in the South, when football season’s over, they’re all baseball and/or NASCAR fans. In Canada during the offseason, you just replay old hockey games from the previous season. There’s something seriously not right with that.
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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 11, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Spring football.
I see it on ESPN and it is utterly ridiculous. I feel like you’re only seeing what you want to see in this discussion.
There is CFL in the papers and on TV up here. And the Blue Jays are getting great ratings despite being out of the hunt. People pay attention to other stuff during the offseason, it’s just that you run a hockey site on the Web, so I can see how you might get the impression – only being in contact with Canadians who are looking to talk hockey – that there are no sports of any consequence in the summer up here.
I completely agree that spring football, especially on TV, is ridiculous. But ESPN has turned into the MTV of the sports world. I rarely visit their website and I never watch their channels. They’re pretty much a joke, unless you’re a big NFL fan. And even then.
I’ve lived 20 miles from the Canadian border for seven years, and I was in Canada often. I was there just as much in the summer months as I was in the winter. Used to watch the Canadian news on TV all the time, too, and pick up the occasional newspaper. I’ve also driven across Western Canada as well – Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, and British Columbia. Believe me, my experience with Canadians extends far beyond this website and hockey.
So I know that there are the Jays and the CFL. No one really pays all that much attention to baseball, in my experience. And the CFL has quite a loyal, but seemingly small, following. All any die-hard Canadian sports fan will talk about is hockey, tho. I’ve tried to get people to talk football or baseball with me, but that doesn’t seem to last very long before it turns into hockey.
Also, your analogy wasn’t really on. I technically live in the South – I’m in Virginia, but I’ve also lived in the Deep South in Tallahassee, Florida – so I know how it is here. The guys I work with are huge football fans, and they’re also ACC conference graduates. As the lone West Coast representative, I try to educate them about the Pac-12, but they genuinely do not care about a team unless it’s in their conference or ranked higher than their school in the polls and they’re playing them that week.
Anyways, everyone sees what they want to see – it’s human nature.
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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 12, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No one really pays all that much attention to baseball, in my experience. And the CFL has quite a loyal, but seemingly small, following.
Really, eh?
Would it surprise you to learn then, that on some nights, there are more people watching the 4th-place-in-their-division Toronto Blue Jays than there are watching the three teams with the next highest ratings (that’d be the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies, all of which are playoff-bound this season) combined. Would it surprise you to learn that Rogers Sportsnet (the Jays’ local broadcaster) draws more than double on most nights for meaningless Jays games than what YES (the Yankees’ local broadcaster) draws on most nights for the Yankees?
And would it surprise you to learn that on a per capita basis, way more people are watching national CFL telecasts in Canada than are watching national MLB telecasts in the US – even when the two biggest draws (Yankees and Red Sox) are facing one another?
So using this one measurement, at least, more people, per capita in Canada are following and watching the Blue Jays and CFL than people in the US are following MLB (not to mention golf, tennis, auto racing and whatever other sports are on TV in the summer).
I’ll make a deal with you: I’ll stop telling you what Southern college football fans are like if you stop telling me what Canadian sports fans are like. And if you want the links for any of the info above, let me know, and I’ll be happy to provide ’em.
I’d just chalk it up to our relative experiences have been different, that’s all. :o)
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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 12, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you didn’t say this, but for me, as the fan of two sunbelt teams, I find it hardest to deal with the “you don’t serve hockey because you don’t appreciate it” line. This is a sentiment expressed most frequently by Canadian media/fans but the “traditional” American markets have a bit more than their fair share of it. It’s said without regard to the on-the-ground realities of the situation. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of extremely passionate and knowledgeable hockey fans in the southern half of the US. There has been professional hockey in Nashville since the 60s, for instance, and I have friends who grew up playing and paying for hockey in the South for generations. We appreciate and love this game quite a bit, thank you very much, Ken Campbell. There are teams in climates considered more “appropriate” for hockey who have a hard time selling tickets, but no one says it’s because the fans don’t deserve the sport. I have to hear over and over that my teams and the players on them are going to leave because I don’t deserve them, and that’s frankly insulting to my intelligence as much as it is to my passion.
IMO, Canadians ought to be proud of creating a sport that has millions and millions of fans across the globe. They ought to wave that flag high, not try to set some sort of bar for the “purity” of the sport that excludes anyone not born in Canada. It’s an achievement to create something that transcends cultural, language, national, and even continental boundaries. It’s a thing of beauty, this game and the love people have for it, and Canadians created that. They ought to brag about it instead of griping.
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by CAustin on Aug 9, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
IMO, Canadians ought to be proud of creating a sport that has millions and millions of fans across the globe. They ought to wave that flag high, not try to set some sort of bar for the "purity" of the sport that excludes anyone not born in Canada. It’s an achievement to create something that transcends cultural, language, national, and even continental boundaries. It’s a thing of beauty, this game and the love people have for it, and Canadians created that. They ought to brag about it instead of griping.
Well said.
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I was corrected on Twitter. Apparently the lowest the Canadian dollar ever got during the last dip was $0.61 US in 2002. I must’ve transposed the 65 cents into 56 cents or something.
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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 8, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
In 1999 I drove from Edmonton to Woodstock. My $150 ticket cost me $250 Canadian. I don’t miss those exchange rates one bit.
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I tend to be sentimental about things. Same goes for my hockey. At its most basic, I think the league really need only ensure the Original 6 don’t fold. All others are open for contracture/moving. Sure, I don’t like the fact my other team (the Blues) is in significant financial difficulty.
I think what’s further interesting—using Cassie’s article as a fabulous point-of-departure—is what happens to the league if/when the league contracts? Assume the Panthers contract (not that I harbor ill-will toward the “Stinkin’ Panthers” but am using them hypothetically here). Will the league contract only one team? Not likely. To even things up, I can easily foresee a Western Conference team closing up shop, too. Let’s say—again, purely hypothetically—the Coyotes join the Panthers in the ride into the sunset.
In that case, what happens to the players? The league would then have to figure out what to do with up to 100 players. Supplemental draft? Can you imagine David Booth or Ekmund-Larsson in Lightning Blue? What would happen to the respective AHL teams? Would they fold as well? If not, what would their role then be in what has historically been primarily a development (“farm”) league.
This topic alone could be worth a full-length article by itself.
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I don’t think they’d contract fewer than three or four teams – but that’s just pure speculation on my part.
There’s no question that there’d be a trickle down effect in terms of player personnel. There’d definitely be a dispersal draft, and a lot of fourth line guys would be sent down to the AHL. And then the fourth line AHL guys would be sent down to the ECHL. And a few would go to Europe to play. There’s a possibility that the NHL would allow the numbers of players on a roster to be bumped up, tho I don’t know how likely that would be.
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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 9, 2011 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
We’re in agreement, though that any contraction will involve multiple teams and will have significant ripple effects through the league and beyond. I guess that was my ultimate point—though at midnight I could have been accused of rambling.
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if you contract
it almost has to be 2, because that makes the divisions work out nicely. If you’re picking a non-arbitrary number (apart from just cutting all the teams that are losing money), that’s the only one that makes sense.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Aug 9, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing is very few sports teams make money on a regular basis.
The Dallas Mavericks lose money, but no one talks about moving them. The Packers don’t make all that much money and may actually lose money (haven’t looked it up recently). The Cowboys make a lot of money on TV deals and merchandising only because they have been a nationally popular team for decades. If you buy a sports team to make money, you’re doing it wrong. You do it for side deals (arena/merchandising/whatever) or out of passion, but not as a primary investment. The big issue is how much money can you lose and for how long? Do you have a way to supplement your team’s income or can you otherwise absorb it (like mark Cuban can)?
So the ones that would go would not be the ones that lose the most money but those that are the most unstable and uncertain for the longest period of time. It would make business sense for it to be the smallest number of teams while keeping the conferences as balanced as possible, but this is the NHL, so it really doesn’t have to make logical sense.
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In 2010, the Packers’ national income (from TV deals and other sponsorships that are paid to the NFL and then divvied up between teams) was about $157 million. That’s more than the salary cap, meaning that every NFL team basically doesn’t have to worry about player salaries, because they’re covered by national revenues that every team gets.
The NFL also has a different revenue sharing system and way better TV revenues than the NHL so they’re not really apples-to-apples comparisons. Ticket sales do not pay the Packer’s bills, and they’re not expected to like for some smaller-market NHL teams.
The point is that many if not most professional sports teams in North America lose money on a regular basis, even ones as successful and respected as the Packers. You can’t say “contract those teams losing money,” because they all lose money at some point, even Canadian teams. You have to look at how they are making up for their losses, what other sources of income they have, whether they have the ability to borrow and pay back, etc. You have to look for the instability that makes a team unable to weather the tough years, and those are the teams that are candidates for contraction. It’s actually a much smaller and possibly different group of teams than those “losing money.”
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I wasn’t comparing the NFL to any other league in that comment, I was just speaking to the bit where you said you weren’t sure the Pack made a profit.
According to what they disclosed, they made about $12M in profit in 2011.
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You keep mentioning that the Islanders have Ownership problems. While this was true in the past, Wang has been the most solid owner of the team for some time. He offered to build a new arena for the team (along with upgrading the area around the arena) as part of the Lighthouse project with his own funding. It was approved by the county the arena is in, but not the township. Mostly because Politics in Long Island are a joke.
The most recent referendum had the biggest opponents of the Lighthouse Project from the Township on board (particularly Kate Murray) and the county behind it. The Bond was going to be paid back to the county via a minimum payment to the county by Wang every year (of 14 million) or 11% of all revenue generated at the Coliseum, whichever was higher. In the end it would have paid back 70% of the bond + interest, which is more then most Sports Stadiums bonds which average around 40%. Unfortunately the Dems ran a campaign telling old people that if this passed their taxes would go up. Of course one might question how much taxes would go up without the Islanders bringing in revenue to the area, but they don’t think that far ahead.
Wang still seems to be holding out on eventually building something at the Islanders current site. While the team has lost anywhere from 200-400 million during his ownership, those losses are mostly due to how poorly the lease is setup for the Islanders. Pickett signed a 30 year lease back in 1985, in which he had no leverage to move the team to get a better lease. Until recently the County (who actually own the Arena and surrounding area, the Islanders are just a tenant) got all profits from concession stands and parking. Meanwhile the County has also done the bare minimum in upkeep on the building. For example the 1985 lease had wording that the Coliseum was going to get a thorough renovation for 1990, as it was already one of the worst buildings in the league by that point. The renovation never happened.
While Wang does get ridiculed (and rightfully so) for some of his “interesting” ideas, he’s always had the money to pay the bills and seems dedicated to keeping the team where it is. This is despite huge overtures lately from Suffolk County, Brooklyn and Queens. And supposedly the TV deal that the Islanders signed with the MSG network (MSG has given huge cable deals to the Devils and Islanders to kill competition) makes up for the money he loses on the team.
The Islanders are just a lot more stable then people give them credit for, even with 2015 looming.
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I was thinking more in terms of moving, I guess, and if Wang would keep the team if they had to move. But obviously you’d know far more about the ownership issues than I would. And thanks for sharing that. :o)
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by Cassie McClellan on Aug 9, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
No problem, I’d joined just because you’d mentioned a few times about the Ownership issues, which truthfully the team has had in the past (Pickett, Milstein, Spano) but Wang is pretty solid. He really doesn’t seem like he wants to move the team, but it’s as if people won’t believe the Islanders will move until the UHauls are backed up to the Coliseum doors.
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Awesome article!
Honestly, since becoming a fan of the Panthers, my worries of relocation/contraction have completely vanished. There is a certain level of stability that simply isnt obvious at first glance.
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