Question of the Week: What ONE thing would you go back and change before the start of this season?
I think there needs to be some ground rules pertaining to the concept of time travel, along the lines of Isaac Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics. Because even though time travelers in movies are relatively responsible and well-behaved, there's just too much room for abuse that would result in mayhem. And while it would be great if we could all go back and circumvent horrific events leading up to world wars, far too many of us would waste time having inappropriate interactions with our own ancestors...and that's icky. That's why I am offering Clark's Three Laws of Time Travel.
- You can only go back to the past (I don't need you rubbing your flying car or robot dog or flying robot dog who can drive a car in my face).
- You can only go ONCE (that means if you go back far enough, you have to live through Milli Vanilli. Vanilla Ice and the OK Hockey eras all over again).
- You can only change ONE THING.
With that in mind, plus the benefit of 20/20 hindsight and the intent of making the Tampa Bay Lightning better than they are right now (without sacrificing efforts to build for the future), what ONE THING would you go back and undo prior to the start of the 2011-12 season? Answers from the Raw Charge staff are after the jump. Please share yours in the comments.
John Fontana - Managing Editor / Raw Charge
In hindsight, looking back at the 2011 off-season, if I had been Steve Yzerman, I wouldn't have let Cedrick Desjardins go.
There are two reasons that I feel like letting Desjardins go was a mistake. Before I get to that, I want to make it clear I don't think Cedrick was necessarily goiing to prove to be the answer in net for the Lightning.
But Desjardins was something that Dustin Tokarski and Jaroslav Janus aren't: NHL ready. Unlike either AHL netminder, you had to stop feeling like Desjardins wouldn't be able to serve if the team had to call him up. He's too seasoned to be branded as "rushed" to the NHL.
The other aspect that gets me on letting Desjardins walk is that, the logic usually put forth by people justifying the move is that he was injured. He was recovering. There's no telling how he would be when he gets back. And it's not like his injury (shoulder) was so total that it was a career ender.
Clare Austin - Staff Writer
The difficulty I have with what we in the History trade call "what-if" or counter-factual history, is that more than one thing has to be undone and then once you've gotten back to Point A you no longer know where Point B is. For instance, it's not enough for Yzerman to make a decision to keep or not keep a player. The player also has to make the decision to take what the Jedi Master's offering; other teams have to decide not to make or raise an offer; you have to assume that everything that has gone right for a player still goes right under different circumstances; and so on. If Simon Gagne hadn't been playing for Los Angeles he might not have gotten concussed. But then again, maybe he would have.
So, although the obvious answer is "Don't sign Roloson" (and don't think that statement doesn't make me sad), that's not enough. If you don't sign Roli, who do you sign? Bryzgalov signed in the offseason, but before July 1, so is he off the market or not? Does Philadelphia still offer him that contract, and does Yzerman have to beat it? If you sign him, does he still struggle or does he fit into Boucher's system? Does the big ol' pot of crazy hurt the team?
What about Vokoun? Not an exceptionally long-term solution, but good for a few years. Would he have signed with Tampa Bay? Would Brian Elliott have his fluke season with Tampa Bay, or does it rely heavily on Ken Hitchcock's brand of hockey? (I'm not convinced that he's a fundamentally better goalie in St. Louis than he was in Ottawa or Colorado.) What about Ray Emery? He's serviceable in Chicago, but not great. Would he be better in Tampa? Would what he could bring be enough to overcome the defensive woes of the team?
Semyon Varlamov, Jhonas Enroth, Marty Turco, Peter Budaj, Joey MacDonald, Alex Auld. Mark Dekanich. Josh Harding, maybe? What a risk. Cedrick Desjardins? Same thing (He's played a total of 14 games this season and is out with a LBI right now. See the Gagne question above.) Any one of these players could be a difference-maker, but any one of them could flop.
My answer, I guess, is you can't undo the past, and it'll make you crazy to try.
Cassie McClellan - Managing Editor / Raw Charge
I would've kept Mike Lundin. People talk about, point fingers at, the goaltending for much of the Lightning's problems, but the defense has been far worse this season than last season. Part of that is they're missing Mattias Ohlund's leadership, but Lundin was also a big part of the defense last season. He was always matched up with the top forwards on the other team, and he always played well against them. He's never been a physical presence, but he clearly understood what head coach Guy Boucher wanted from him and how he fit into the system - which some of the current players haven't always had the best grasp about. Losing Ohlund as well to injury/surgery just complicated things even more. Lundin is the guy that could've kept the defense steadier this season, even without Ohlund in the lineup.
Dani Toth - Staff Writer / Benched Whale, Lightning Hockey Blog
Since I get the benefit of hindsight, the answer is obvious that I would have signed us a NHL ready goalie that is not 40 billion years old. Didn't have to be a great one and hell we might end up in the same scenario as we are in right now, but I would take my chances on rolling the dice on a different one.
Matt Amos - Staff Writer / Don't Trade Vinny
Let me preface this by saying that no singular move, even in hindsight would have this team in the playoffs. They were never actually as good as they played last year, and at first I thought they couldn't possibly be as bad as they have been this year. But, it's February, so maybe they are.
That being said, I would've liked to have seen Stevie take a flyer on Brian Elliot. Granted, Ken Hitchcock's system has made a LOT of decent goalies look great, but Elliot put up decent numbers behind some pretty awful Ottawa teams. He's young, obviously talented, even if he is playing above his head, and would've come for about the same price as Garon.
Clark Brooks - Staff Writer / Ridiculously Inconsistent Trickle of Consciousness
(The best part of doing QOTW is when it's your turn, you get to go after you see what everyone else said) My one move would have involved logistics, not personnel: I would have not scheduled so much preseason activity on the road. I know there was construction taking place at the Forum, so some of it was necessary, but I would have tried to schedule exhibition games in Lakeland or even another one in Orlando, places that are more home-ish at least. As it was, they only played one at the Forum (plus a "home" game in Orlando), while playing four in locations scattered around North America, all before starting the season with five road games in eight days. Maybe the intent was to get them used to playing away from home since they knew what the schedule held in store. If so, that certainly didn't exactly work out as planned. And seeing how terrible they were on the road for most of this season, maybe a little more home cooking at the start would have helped. It definitely wouldn't have hurt.
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So I guess Albert Einstein’s Theory of Relativity was just too obvious, huh? Arthur C. Clarke was a highly regarded engineer, mathematician, & physicist, while Isaac Asimov was a highly regarded biochemist, you know. Besides their some time occupation of writing science fiction, of course – those were their day jobs. ;o)
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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 17, 2012 8:38 PM EST reply actions
My favorite time travel story is probably still "Thus We Frustrate Charlemagne" by R.A. Lafferty
but I suspect that most time travel stories don’t make sense. A few (“By His Bootstraps” by Heinlein, 12 Monkeys directed by Terry Gilliam, and Los Cronocrimines directed by Nacho Vigolondo) do, but they’re in the minority. David Lewis actually wrote a pretty nice article (called “The Paradoxes of Time Travel”) about what time travelers can and cannot do. He cited “By His Bootstraps.”
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 17, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
C'mon now..
McFlyyyyyyyy!!!!! haha
"WINGnut--BOLThead"
Let's GO..Wings, Tigers, Lions, Wolverines (oh my!) & Bolts!!!! (RIP Cory Smoot aka Flattus Maximus of GWAR)
by Let's JOE WINGS-BOLTS on Feb 18, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
that's definitely among the ones that don't make sense
which doesn’t mean it isn’t good
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 18, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
You keep Mike Smith
No Ifs, ands, or buts. Playing lights out now as he leads the Coyotes into a playoff spot.
He’s playing under an old coach (Dave Tippett who had been a coach overseeing him in Dallas).
So, I disagree on the “no ifs, ands, or buts” — with all the baggage that Smith had accumulated in Tampa, how would he move forward with this team? “I’m out to prove something” and yet, when the first sign of trouble comes up – the public lashes out at him?
He’s playing better than he ever did in Tampa, sure. I’d give accolades to the Coyotes defense before I would say Smith himself was cured and that Yzerman made a mistake letting him go.
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by John Fontana on Feb 17, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think he’s a better goalie than his record here showed. BUT, he’s not so good as to overcome the defensive weaknesses of the team this year. His stats are essentially padded by Tippet’s system, and there’s no telling how he’d perform here again, but he’s not Bad At His Job.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
I liked the Jeremy Lin story the first time when it was called the Martin St. Louis story.--@BoltProspects
"I saw it, I called it, I still don't believe it!"--Pete Weber
If TB would get a quality GT coach the results would be amazing. They can’t develop goalies at all, going back to Ramo and Helenius who are doing wonderfully in Europe.
by shawndubstep on Feb 18, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
You aren’t the first to suggest that Frantz Jean might not be getting the job done. As far as Helenius, though, keep in mind that he struggled a lot in Europe when he first went back there and is only now starting to get back to form. And the Finns produce some damn fine goaltending. (Also considerations of the bigger rinks making for a slightly slower game for goalies.)
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
I liked the Jeremy Lin story the first time when it was called the Martin St. Louis story.--@BoltProspects
"I saw it, I called it, I still don't believe it!"--Pete Weber
Your point is valid, but remember it goes back much further — MUCH – than Helenius and Ramo. Derek Wilkinson? Zach Bierk? Gerald Coleman?
Player development has always taken a back seat in TB. It’s now at the forefront,a nd we have to learn the egg and the chicks matter just as much as the chicken. (god, that sounds horrible but I think it’s accurate too)
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by John Fontana on Feb 18, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
He needed a change of scenery. The change of scenery is what has made him return to form. If he’d stayed in Tampa, then he may not have improved as significantly.
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by Cassie McClellan on Feb 17, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not a thing.
I don’t change a thing because of your proviso of “you have to live through everything.” I believe this team is better now than two years or five years ago. The record on the ice may not reflect that improvement, but it will in the not-too-distant future.
"Freedom is the freedom to say two plus two equals four. If that is granted all else will follow."
- Smith in Orwell's 1984
Good answer.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
I liked the Jeremy Lin story the first time when it was called the Martin St. Louis story.--@BoltProspects
"I saw it, I called it, I still don't believe it!"--Pete Weber
I still don't buy the "weren't really that good last year" bit
a lot has changed this year. A lot.
As for what I’d change. Not re-signing Roloson is the easy answer, but who? I guess Vokoun? Lundin is also a nice choice, given what we know about how the defense ended up.
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 17, 2012 10:49 PM EST reply actions
Now there's a loaded question!
I have read several good suggestions here. Many carry considerable merit. That being said, I believe something has been overlooked in reference to this years Lightning team. The Lightning could have held on to a few players I guess, but let’s look for a moment at what has ailed this team for most of this year.
Seen the PP and PK stats lately?
Did we lose a PP or PK stud in the offseason………..Nope!
What we lost is a veteran coach by the name of Wayne Fleming.
I don’t begrudge the Lightning for keeping his position open until he heals. It’s not only an honorable thing to do, it’s the right thing to do. I appreciate their dedication to one of their own. I’d expect nothing less from a "world class" organization. In my opinion his absence has left a void in this organization that has had major implications on this teams’ season.
Since we are living in the past, let’s think for a moment where this team would be with last years PP and PK. I think this season would be much different. While it’s impossible to say that Wayne Flemings’ presence would have had any impact on this years’ team, I’d suggest that there would have been a positive impact on special teams had he been here. A coach with his resume and knowledge isn’t easy to replace.
I know….Guy has others on his staff. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, I see them as well trained "yes men." Young head coaches need those guys. They also need a voice of experience. That voice that hasn’t been heard much this year. Wayne Fleming is missed.
It’s hard to say that the Lightning should have found a guy who could have replaced Wayne. It was still undermined what his long term status was. His short term status was clear and I believe Stevie should have seen that and addressed it. It didn’t happen.
Let’s forget about this year for the moment and look ahead. Every head coach needs help with detail guys. PP and PK especially. It’s something that needs to be addressed. Hopefully, Guy is not so full of himself that he doesn’t welcome the help I think Yzerman will look for.
Best of luck Wayne Fleming. We miss you. More than most people know.
well put
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 18, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ouch, tough question.
So very hard to say for sure. We were in such a different place before this season began.
Those of you who said or were thinking “not sign Roli” …would you have given up last year’s playoff run, for it? Don’t think anybody can deny, Roli played a HUGE part of that. But was the run more of a curse, than a blessing? I say hell no. Experience is key, playoffs are best experience you can get. I’ll give this season and all the controversy of a team that went deep the year before, not matching it the next season. Most of which was drummed up by media and scared Florida “sports” fans.
What was gained by that run, can’t be taught, bought, or denied. Not to mention.. it was just a part of the ongoing process. Not like in year’s past, where we threw a bunch of shit at the wall, hoping it would stick. It’s no secret, Lord Stanley’s Cup is the hardest trophy in sports to obtain. The process just makes it all the more sweet, when it’s raised above your head.. in a loud roar of triumph, pain and victory.
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by Let's JOE WINGS-BOLTS on Feb 18, 2012 12:13 PM EST reply actions
I should have been clearer that I didn’t mean “don’t trade for Roli,” but rather “don’t re-sign him in the offseason.”
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
I liked the Jeremy Lin story the first time when it was called the Martin St. Louis story.--@BoltProspects
"I saw it, I called it, I still don't believe it!"--Pete Weber
although I’m still not sure I’d change that either. I wonder whether, if the team were better this season, people (fans, players, coaches, and execs alike) would have really understood the depth of the depth problem this franchise has.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
I liked the Jeremy Lin story the first time when it was called the Martin St. Louis story.--@BoltProspects
"I saw it, I called it, I still don't believe it!"--Pete Weber
Somewhat off-topic
This morning on 620, the host was questioning why if the A’s are offering a mere $500,000 (only in sports can you say “mere” in front of a six-digit dollar figure) to sign Manny Ramirez that the Rays wouldn’t try to sign him.
This, on the same station that has feasted on the Lightning’s decision to retain a too-old Roloson.
by Clark J Brooks on Feb 18, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
I hate talk on 620. That is all.
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by John Fontana on Feb 22, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Mike Lundin would have been a piece to keep here in Tampa, but I believe he took less money to play in Minnesota (for less years if I remember), correct? Not much Yzerman could do there (other than grossly overpay, which no one wants).
Smith was not going to stay and Yzerman had no reason to have him stay. GM’s make decisions on what they know. Yzerman had to make a decision based on Smith’s performance last year, not on his current performance this year (which he could not have predicted: different team, system, coaching). Yes, people could guess Smith would have a better season in Phoenix than he did last year, but not on the level he is.
Would’ve liked Gagne back. Yes, he could’ve gotten hurt here this year, but he was hurt last year as well. That is a known quantity. Gagne gets hurt. Take those preventative body maintenance days often with him during the season and let him do what he always does in the playoffs. Again, he will get hurt. Plan for it. He is leader by example with skill and playoff experience, as well as 59 pts in 105 playoff games. I say give Gagne the little bit of extra length (2 years, right?) on his contract. He wanted to be here for a reasonable sum.
Roloson’s resigning was a no-brainer to me. Not on his playoff performance so much (though that helped) but on his possible impact on the organization in the future. Give him this year’s contract at his age, show him the organization wants him around and offer him a job with the coaching staff when he retires. A player with that much experience and having played under Boucher can effectively coach the new goalies on every aspect of what it means to be an NHL goalie and how to play it (what works, what doesn’t work) in Boucher’s system with the players on the ice (having played with them).
Cedrick Desjardins was worth another look. We traded for him, he played well in his NHL starts and I don’t remember the team pursuing him again. If he plays well with the NHL club this year, great. Gives Tik his time to develop with Desjardins earning experience instead of stop-gapping with Roloson and Garon now. If not, as I said, Roloson resigning was a no brainer to me and we are no worse off than we are now. Roloson helping Desjardins develop from an NHL ready backup to a starter over the course of the season gives Tik his time to play AHL (while Janus works on his consistency) for this season and possibly some of next while Desjardins holds the fort.

























